Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

So that's still a no.

Yes, I posted quotes, no idea what the other wild unsubstantiated claims are, but none of them were by me. Are you claiming I made up the Telegram posts? They are there for you to see yourself.

First of all, it's not just a €200 a week dole, is it? You are leaving out the very important, no mortgage or rent. Free food. No bills, electricity, gas etc..

If she could gain Ukrainian citizenship, and claim refuge in her families home with her children, and her husband getting €400 a week to house them, she would get around €275 a week if she has 3 kids, but they would still have bills. Electricity, Gas, Food, Internet, Phone etc.

I really don't get what you don't understand. When they arrive they have no bills, no rent, no mortgage, no expenses. They are getting more per week than many over there earn per month.

You can buy a house in Odessa for less than €800. They can send up to 20KG free back to Ukraine with An Post. We already know they can request all kinds of stuff in the groups. Furniture, clothes, furnishings. etc.

Tell me again how that is not an incentive for them to do nothing. Tell me how that compares to living here with rent or a mortgage and bills on €200 a week. I literally pointed out the main difference three times on this post. Yet wouldn't be surprised at all to still see you avoid those points to mention dole for a few weeks again.

By the way, it is not lost on me that you are trying to keep the conversation centered on the dole and cost of living here, or xenophobia etc. Or that you have not expressed any real views in any capacity. Yet won't discuss outside that area nevermind acknowledge that we can't do it.

I don't have to, nor have I tried to dress up my views. I have stuck to my opinion all along, except maybe from early on, when I had no issue with them coming here, until it became apparent it was not possible without completely f*cking up this country.

I most certainly do not have to accept it. Where do you think we are? North Korea? Somebody decides something and we have to accept it? More and more people are becoming aware of this mess by the day. While many papers are slowly leaking bits here and there, they aren't doing a good job of giving people the broader picture. With enough people and the right people ('confirming my views'??) - agreeing with me and others and becoming more aware of the situation, it does of course matter, and it can of course make a difference.

A huge part of me thinks the government and EU already know this, they are just chancing their arms seeing how much they can get away with, Otherwise is makes no sense. Because Ukraine is not in as much danger as they would have us believe and the repetitive nonsense about doing our bit and think of the war babies etc.. is just playing on people for their benefit.

A few thousand?

40 thousand and counting,and plenty more to come

get a grip

I'd like to PM you about this but we are both private profile now (in my case cos folks who themselves are private profile keep trying to dig into my personal details and attack me , sadly this the way it is going).

They are getting more than plenty from the government.

By way of example , I find Suckit’s take on the Ukr refugee issue extremely disappointing t- to put it very mildly. One would swear that either there is really no war going on - dust a bit of a skirmish between two teenagers - or if there is a war that it is going on in a very small corner of Ukr and the rest is in absolutly NO danger. So those Ukr coming to Irl are ALL milking the system. It’s of interest how many of the posts - the vast majority - are ‘giving out’ about the Ukr refugees eg driving around in big cars, putting pressure on all of our services, are pedophiles, robbers, taking our jobs, work in the black market, want to live in groups with other Ukr, etc, etc, etc, etc

if the international media is to believed, there is a very serious and very intensive war going on, no war rules are being adhered to, absolutly no place is safe, built up towns , villages , farm buildings, cities , service utilities and infrastructure are being completely razed to the ground, etc, etc, etc. and I get the impression that the majority of boardies on here think that your typical refugee from Ukr have come to Ireland FOR THE CRACK.

put yourself into the shoes of your typical UKr living in Ukr for one week with relatives, friends and contacts living throughout the country and then tell me what you would do including where would you go. Stay where you are and continue on as normal with my children, wife, granny and grand dad? Build a bunker or repair your old one ? Go to a ‘safer place ‘ and hire a farm manager or equivalent to keep the business going? And OF COURSE you are certain what parts of U kr PUTIN is NOT GOING TO BOMB.

my overall take on the refugee issue is that your typical Ukr who have left Ukr because of the war and those remaining are experience severe suffering - both physical , financial and mental and we, in principal, should share this suffering in other ways - accept that aspects of our lives will be disturbed a bit - due to higher prices, pressure on services, etc

we, in Ireland, do not know how lucky we are with our democracy, stable governments since independence, a very manageable climate re floods, drought, very fertile soil, a relatively. Safe place to live in , good social welfare supports. Go live somewhere else in a few other countries and I guarantee to you that , in most cases, you will be glad to come back and continue living inIreland - so I think that we can afford to share our ‘luck’ with others that are less fortunate and feel a little pain while doing so.

Ahh here, the 10% increase meant the school population which did stand at 250, would be increasing by 25.

The point is that you didn’t say how many people among the 333 were primary school age children. They’re increasing the current population of 2,000 people by 333, in an area where the primary school has a capacity for 350 pupils following expansion before reopening in September.

@[Deleted User] picked it up the same way I did, so at least now I know it wasn’t just me 😅

On Newstalks hard shoulder last night Ciaran Cuddihy had on a woman called Ruth who will have to be out of her rented house in Galway in a couple of weeks and can't find anywhere to rent in Galway as there are so few available and those that are available get quickly snapped up. Shes desperately looking for somewhere for her and her two teenage children but is getting no support. I tweeted the show making the comparison with newly arrived Ukranians who have support services available as soon as they arrive. Naturally my tweet was deleted. The interview was bizarre in that there was no linking of the lack of available accommodation with the fact that in the space of a few months we have 50,000 new arrivals being housed by the government.

Was she willing to live in a tent with her kids, disused sports hall, community centre?

Oh right back to Kremlin talking points, if you are not being actively bombed or raped there is no war.

Get up the yard.

Actually they were looking for own door accommodation, dont forget many Ukrainians were offered spare rooms or even spare homes. Its not all "crammed" hotels or camp sites, camp sites in particular are the vast minority so very disingenuous of you to try and paint them as being the norm.

Then again, you were the poster who claimed there was no covid shutdown in construction because "i went for a walk and the sites round me still had people on them"! 🤣😂 A real paragon of integrity boggles