Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

One system in place ,and then the system was completely ignored for Ukranians on the temp proection visa. Nobody gets instant access to local schools...until now.

Nobody is still getting instant access to schools, not even now -

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/deep-concern-over-failure-provide-27231299.amp

Lies.

Many of them did and probably still do though.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/they-miss-their-friends-ukrainian-children-start-school-just-days-after-arriving-in-ireland-1.4822794

Headline ‐

''They miss their friends’: Ukrainian children start school just days after arriving in Ireland Family begins new life in Co Kildare''

4 days in the country. Greystones. You reckon I or others could get our kids into that school easily? Yeah right, no feckin way.

https://youtu.be/0WYwVTZRbFg

And some are complaining about changing schools but you know thats what happens when you are on a temporary refugee visa or even when you need to find a new job or move house for whatever reason....

''Several families have reported that their children were forced to change schools as the family was being moved to a different part of the country"

so sad

Somebody said "WE" the Irish people could fix all the issues but we aren't willing too because of tax?

100% bullshit.

Every person on this land would give an extra few percent of tax to get some services back in return like other countries or even like the services we got back in the 90's.

That crappy argument means nothing.

There was no money for homeless, social housing, affordable housing for years.

Now there is?? Just not for us.

I was reading the Dáil transcripts earlier, around 100 million in aid, NGO crap and weapons were sent to Ukraine from Ireland. Plus money from the Billion covid contingency fund which I assume is gone.

Now there's another 3 Billion set aside. The Dáil transcripts have TD's asking back in may if the EU is contributing and the answer is no.

If 1 Ukrainian person gets a permanent social house in this country without contributing one cent to the coffers then people should be out on the streets with ropes looking to hang TD's

I will never offer any help.

Regardless of you unusual definition of "home", if she can't speak any Irish, she can't teach Irish so she can't hope to teach at a school in Ireland.

Lies.

Many of them did and probably still do though.

They don’t though 😳

I mean, it’s right there in the article, and yes, I’m well aware that people are being forced to change schools and all the rest of it when they’re at the mercy of the State. You’re not though, and that’s where the difference is that you’re claiming is unfair. It’s not though.

4 days in any case isn’t instant, and yes, I could absolutely do it and I’ve done it on numerous occasions. Not my own child as it wasn’t necessary, but other parents children, much quicker than four days. In one case I dealt with, the children in question were accepted into the school in the space of half an hour. Their mother was a traveller who was being accommodated in a women’s domestic violence shelter, escaping an abusive husband and father.

On other occasions, particularly in relation to immigrant children, I’d war with Boards of Management about their unwritten admissions “policies” when they sought to deprive children a place in the school, generally motivated by what amounted to sheer snobbery on their part. On those occasions it took anywhere between days, and weeks to get them to cop on and act in accordance with their legal obligations as a Board.

I reckon you could do it too, depending upon who you know. But if you’re only in the country a wet day, you don’t speak the language and you know nobody, you’d be far more likely to find it significantly more difficult to argue your case.

The state has abandoned its own citizens along with immigrants.

They have to advertise themselves in the hope of finding a place to live. Pure desperation.

You must have great access to data to know that all of them are saving up their 200 Euro big bucks a week. Even the kids who don't get 200 a week are saving up their 200 a week.

They are fairly disciplined savers for a bunch of "rapists, racists, murderers and paedophiles". Which of those categories would you think this lady or her child fits into?

Will the block booked hotels and accommodation centers be able to house some of these people aswell on the state's largesse?

why not?

https://rentola.ie/tenants

So there is no crossover then? You just made it up? Did you make up all of the people that said they were minted for life too? Was any of your post true?

None of the above seems true either, I mean, I don't want to be the one who accuses you of being a pathological liar, but I never said that "all of them are saving their 200 Euro big bucks a week"

I also never stated that they were a "bunch of rapists, racists, murderers and paedophiles" - You may not be actually trying to lie there, maybe you just got confused or misunderstood, so I will give you the benefit of doubt. In reply to the other poster (who coincidentally comes out with some stories) I was pointing out that they are not all angelic ladies who have given up everything for their poor country to survive this terrible war and realise that the dandlions and spring meadows that they loved so much they may never see again etc.. I merely pointed out that among the 43,000 there could be all sorts. Nor are they all from the danger zones.

There is no doubt in my mind that some have experienced those atrocities first hand, and that is unfortunate and terrible and they deserve help, but those milking it for the rest, and the way the EU has decided all countries to open up this way is bullcrap. We are unfortunate in that we have the most incompetent government possibly in the history of the state while these last three years happened. Throwing money at everything because they haven't got a clue what else to do. Forget hiring somebody that may have suggestions or knowledge on how to fix such things, that money needs to be saved for a speech writer, or a social media campaign to make them look good for the next election.

If these idiots actually did their job with some competence, they wouldn't need to be worried about speech writers and social media campaigns. Equally if they had any common sense they would know that we don't have the infrastructure to go where this is headed. It needs to be stopped and assessed (I would say reassessed if I thought it had actually been looked at before), and they need to know where the hell we are going. What is the plan? They also need people to stop blowing smoke up their asses and telling them they are doing the right thing or a good job, because that isn't helping anything or anyone.

One teacher can only stretch so far in a school day.

I’m assuming there’s more than one teacher in the school 😳

Various sources suggest that the school is already expanding and there are only 25 Ukrainian children will be attending the school in September. That’s one class, which would mean the school would be provided with an extra teacher. It’s not ideal I grant you, but it’s do-able -

At primary level, the annual staffing schedule determines the allocation of teachers to schools. The current allocation is on an average ratio of 1 classroom teacher for every 25 pupils. Budget 2022 has implemented a further 1 point reduction for the 2022/23 school year so that primary schools will be allocated teaching posts on an average basis of 1 classroom teacher for every 24 pupils in September 2022. Lower thresholds apply to DEIS Urban Band 1 schools. This Budget measure has brought the teacher allocation ratio in all primary schools to the lowest ever seen at primary level. 

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-02-01/86/