Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

What I referred to, you posted on another thread on this very same forum earlier on today. The post on the other thread was after your post giving out about the Ukrainians. You posted the other one around 12:03 if I remember correctly. I hardly needed an AI data mining bot to have seen it now did I? I could link to it here if you want, but that's beside the point. My observation appears to have touched a nerve.

You're free to go abroad and take advantage of higher wages and to pay lower taxes to some other country rather than Ireland, and to later then return to Ireland when the kids hit school age if you want. There is not illegal about that. Often people end up having to pay for private schools in foreign countries - especially if they are in a place where English is not spoken and they want their kids to attend an "international school". You, or any other Irish person, would be free to then come back and, despite not having paid any taxes here for years, have their children educated for free here. If I did do that myself, I wouldn't be moaning about Ukrainians getting allocated school places though. Even if you were not Irish, if you just moved here to work for example, and brought your kids, your kids get education also.

Ukrainians are here legally and are entitled to school places the same as Irish-born children. If you were slow at organising things for your own circumstances, and they got in before you, then that is on you. When you are using your own personal circumstances to try to stir up resentment against them, you should tell the full story though as to why you might be in a particular situation.

What I don't understand is the crossover between people complaining about the cost of living here, and the people thinking the Ukrainians are minted for life getting 200 quid dole into their hands for a few weeks.

Things are expensive here. For everyone trying to live here. The Ukrainians would struggle on that 200.

Wrong (and anybody who claims that we have truly 'free education' is living in lala land).

Every parent needs to follow a process of supplying proof of residence, other supporting data and waiting lists. Waiting lists could be a year or years in some cases. Then they give points on whatever criteria locally. Many schools will not even put you on the list without proof of local address.

Ukranian children just got enlisted immediately into local schools with no process. I know some teachers, I asked them about it and they sheepishly agreed with me that they didnt follow any protocol and they also broke class size limits for them.

Its not just my personal circumstances. Ask any parent trying to get a kid into a secondary school (as an example) right now in Dublin metro area. Many schools in large districts have NO places. None. Some whole towns have no primary places either.

But you keep trying to attack me...Doesn't work,the problem is a general problem in Dublin metro area and other cities in Ireland.

I hope I hope...

thats all you can say. More virtue signaling.

What about providing solutions to the issues irish people and immigrants are facing now in Ireland and that they are telling you about?

I follow the process the same as everybody else. If you have to move district or town you would have exactly the same challenges. Schools wont even accept applications in many cases if you dont have proof of local residence!

It seems the system is working against many of us and that is ok with you.

Its not just 'on me', the system doesnt have any places in many schools across the country.

Stop with the personal attacks already.

But the system was magically ditched and instant places found for THOUSANDS of Ukranian temporary residents children after a week or two in the country. And still happening now.

Similar situation with finding accommodation for local homeless and those on housing lists isnt it, meanwhile contracts for 100s millions of Euro total are being handed out for hotels all over the country.

I dont need to share any more personal details with you buddy.

I have made my point very clear already.

My issue is with one group getting a special exemption en masse which is disadvantaging the others who follow the system. Its not against Ukranians,I have equal respect for all individuals, but against our govt allowing this unfair policy to happen where resources are finite. I'm not saying its the only reason but its significant and blatantly unfair to the other children.

It's clear you have no idea about the severe issues affecting school access at present in the Dublin metro area and that public education resources are extremely stretched already.

When you research it yourself come back and debate with me in an informed manner.

A substantial part of the complaints are not about the Ukrainians, it’s about the government just bringing large amounts of them in with no planning. No government should be just left off the hook for that. We have seen the same carry on during other crises in the country and that rightly annoys people.

You're coming on here sharing your personal details and trying to stir up resentment against Ukrainians without disclosing that the reason you are having difficulty getting a school place is not because of the Ukrainians, but because you are just off the plane yourself and didn't make proper preparations. You shouldn't be doing that.

From what I gather, most of the Ukrainians kids are probably here longer in any queue than yourself. So if is you that is looking for special treatment to jump a queue.

It’s roughly ‘so far’ 50,000…. More then ‘a few thousand’ ffs… a disingenuous comment to misrepresent that posters opinion.

so from the first week in March to the first week in August..

tens of thousands more by the end of the year…

So far… That by my rough calculations averages at around 2,270 per week since March. Around 324 per day… hundreds per day, thousands per week, for months without pausing…. To be housed, given cash every week, medical cards, a GP, access to hospitals….free public transport….

good luck trying to be granted even as an Irish person an appointment with a state physio…

Thats not what is happening.

And its none of your business either Mr private profile yerself.

What I'm telling you is the situation for all parents who are looking to change their kids schools. Massive waiting lists. No places in whole towns around Dublin.

One system in place ,and then the system was completely ignored for Ukranians on the temp proection visa. Nobody gets instant access to local schools...until now.

It doesn't matter about my personal circimstances

I'm telling you about the massive lack of school places in the Dublin area. Ask any parent. You dont just get to shove yer kid into any local school.

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Your children aren’t being treated any differently. Ukrainian children aren’t being treated any differently''

That is simply a lie.

Nobody else can rock up in a house and the next week get their kids into the local school.

It simply doesnt work like that for anybody else.

And you know it. Class size limits were ignored and long standing policies broken.

You are repeating a lie here.