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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    Agree with that. If he's good enough behind the wheel then that will iron over any past disputes.

    But he hasn't raced an F1 car yet and many great drivers from lower series have failed to find their feet in the sport over the years so he really should be doing everything in his power to maximise his chances and airing dirty laundry in public is not a good way to do that. Even if Alpine are proved to be in the wrong it would have shown more maturity to handle it privately and stay silent until he can announce where he actually is driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,688 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I’ll say this, Piastri had better live up to the hype after all of this. Not turned a wheel in anger in F1 yet and he has turned down a seat already.

    No pressure there…none at all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    I think Latifi is likely to leave, he'll have done three seasons, he's not making any strides so he'll probably step aside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    It's all a total Piastrophy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,688 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,069 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    His management is Mark Webber. Not exactly known for his diplomacy.

    This too shall pass.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,529 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,991 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Makes perfect sense after reading that article above.

    Alonso, Webber and Flavio pissed all over Renault.

    Kept the Alonso deal quite til piastri passed his freedom date and then pulled both drivers from the team.

    It's bad management from Renault / Alpine not to have Alonso signed up prior to the important date.

    I still can't help thinking that piastri will realise in future that he has made a blunder here.... Jumping into bed with Flavio and Alonso on an underhand plan is never going to be a good outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭thefa


    Surely Piastri has a contract signed or multiple on the table. It would hurt his bargaining power declaring himself out of Alpine otherwise. I guess the new team are working on opening a seat.

    I guess it’s justice if Alpine suffer the most. Committed to neither Alonso or Piastri. More pressure on Otmar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭rock22


    Was Briatore 's ban from representing drivers overturned? Strange that such an unsavoury character was allowed return to a role in F1.

    Piastri is involving himself with some unsavoury characters if Briatore is behind it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭klose


    That really was a crazy couple days and hard to believe it all as Alpine come out looking badly amateur. Piastri to publicly decline an F1 seat at a works team must mean he has something rock solid locked down for next season, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out, I imagine there will be some legal disputes to follow.


    You'd imagine the path of least resistance is ricciardo back to renault/Alpine and Piastri to mclaren. I know ricciardo said he will drive for them next year but could be tempted to go back to alpine if they offer him a multi year contract as he has absolutely zero bargaining power after his displays with mclaren so far.


    Alpine does seem a bit of a mess? Didn't Prost leave the team on fairly messy terms? Often leave alonso and ocon race eachother when all they do is slip backwards. All this going on now too, not a great look really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭rock22


    @klose wrote "You'd imagine the path of least resistance is ricciardo back to renault/Alpine and Piastri to mclaren. I know ricciardo said he will drive for them next year but could be tempted to go back to alpine if they offer him a multi year contract as he has absolutely zero bargaining power after his displays with mclaren so far."

    I think the events of the past weekend increase his bargaining power.

    If McLaren have committed to Piastri then they need to breaks Ricciardo's contract, presumably by buying him out. Buying him out might involve buying him a seat at Alpine. i.e. Alpine could get Ricciardo and have some or all of his fee paid by McLaren. Otherwise Alpine do nothing, go elsewhere, possibly sue Piastri and get an injunction stopping him racing for McLaren.

    It does look like Alpine dropped the ball. But it also looks like Briatore, Alonso and Webber set up a sting on Alpine. If so, there might be consequences down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Espn Brazil are claiming Piastri is going to McLaren as reserve in 2023 before replacing Ric in 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Bizarre if true. Turning down a seat in F1 next year to be reserve in another mid tier team?

    Unless McLaren were confident of getting rid of Ricciardo next year but he’s digging his heels in.

    Post edited by McFly85 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Maybe Piastri has been told that Ricciardo is getting the boot at the end of the season but the logistics have not been worked out yet.

    McLaren is not a big step up from a guaranteed seat at Alpine. There must be more to this story than meets the eye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Maybe Piastri wasn't even guaranteed a drive with Alpine in 2023 or 2024 until Alonso dropped that bombshell. He may have not felt wanted and said right I'm off to Mclaren.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Why would McLaren pay Alpine to have Danny Ric drive for them? They are separate issues. They will have to buy Danny out of his contract and pay him however many millions and then his ties to McLaren are cut. If he’s driving for Alpine he’ll have to hammer out a new contract with them and I don’t see why McLaren would be involved? If I was Ricciardo I’d take my cheque from McLaren and then negotiate another few million a year out of Alpine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,293 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Ricciardo is doing the right by digging his heels in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,293 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    I'd say there is going to be serious meetings at Renault HQ between the CEO and Alpine management.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,653 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I thought the whole thing hinged on Piastri keeping the seat open at Alpine which means Ricciardo moves and takes it. That leaves the McLaren seat open for Piastri.

    It's a ballsy move from Piastri. If it works out the advantage is that he would get a couple of years at McLaren and wouldn't be tied into a Contract at Alpine.

    I get the impression that Alpine has hit its ceiling and that's why Alonso and Piastri aren't keen to take the seat. Alpine were keen to lock Ocon into a long term deal and maybe Piastri doesn't want to be there for 3 years. He clearly thinks its better to risk being a reserve driver or mclaren driver than taking a guaranteed drive at Alpine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Depends. He’s not doing his career any favours by staying at McLaren. If he could get a decent payoff and a seat at Alpine next year it could be very good for him.

    But if he has no other mid tier seat then absolutely he’s correct!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,653 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I'd say moving is the right thing to do. His performance drop is either because the McLaren car or team doesn't suit him or he has lost his edge for whatever reason. If he stays at McLaren, I think nothing will change next year. Norris will trounce him again unless Norris himself has a terrible year.

    If he moves he'll either find his previous form in the Alpine or he'll continue to be poor and he'll be found out for having lost this edge.

    There's no point moving to Williams or whatever backmarker. That's career ending. But a move to Alpine might get him moving again and undo some of the reputational damage he's doing at McLaren



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭rock22


    What is there in it for Alpine for them to offer a seat to Ricciardo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    At the moment it looks as if all 3 parties (McLaren, Alpine & Piastri) are gonna come out of this worse than when they went in.

    Incredible lack of judgement, in particular from Piastri, to burn bridges with Alpine. If he doesn't end up fulfilling his potential (and soon) his career is only going backwards.

    Poor judgement all round from Alpine to lose both Alonso and Piastri. They must be sick having pumped so much money into Piastri's development only to be publicly humiliated by him.

    And the tweet from Alpine and consequently Piastri has really strengthened Danny Ric's position and could end up costing McLaren bucket loads of cash. Although McLaren have succeeded in taking their main rival's up and coming star (in addition to playing a part in embarrassing them) so they are atm the happiest of the 3 I would imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,653 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    He's a big name driver and he'll be cheap this time. They paid him $20m a year last time. He'll be a fraction of that this time. And he might find his previous form which would make him a bargain. If he goes there and continues his current form, he'd be a loss. But at least he'll be cheap.

    He must know his stock has fallen and he's trying to relaunch his career. This move wouldn't be about money in the short term it would be about staying in the sport after next year. If he stays at mclaren for 2023, I can't see anyone wanting to pay him in 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Well it looks like they have a seat that needs filling and no other obvious candidates with Alonso definitely gone and Piastri having burnt his bridges.. Ric has history with the team and did a lot better there than he's currently doing at McLaren.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,688 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Piastri turning down a seat before he had even turned a wheel in anger…to MAYBE go to another team to sit and wait…

    If this is what happens, his management need their heads checked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭thefa


    Neither Piastri or Alonso come across as the most composed characters but the way they have handled certain things makes me think there were significant interpersonal issues between them and the team. If you’re on good terms with management, you wouldn’t be as disrespectful even when leaving.

    Maybe they do think the car hasn’t much more to give on top of that too. Who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,991 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Ricciardo to alpine even on a 1 year deal will be his career saving move. He knows his stock is rock bottom but if he was to run out 2023 at McLaren, he is finished.

    I'd imagine he will be secretly hoping this all works out with a swap to alpine which with buy out of his contract or whatever should work out as at least 1 years salary at similar levels to his McLaren wages so he can save face there too and call it a sideways move which it really is.

    I like Otmar Szafnauer and always seemed to run a tight ship at racing point but he is caught with his pants down here.



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