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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I think Piastri should have let Alpine clear up the mess before he tweeted. Looks like Piastri to Mclaren is on the cards so. He has another year on his contract but could Alpine go in for Gasly, they'd probably love to have two French drivers. If Marko is a fan of Schumacher could he end up going to Alpha Tauri then opening a seat for Danny Ric at Haas. If Latifi does leave Williams then that seat seat would surely go to Nick De Vries. The summer break is turning like the football transfer rumours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,903 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    My understanding is that alpine have piastri on contract and had an option to put him in the race seat for 2023 so contractually, it was their decision only.

    This can only blow up in his face. A rookie turning down a full works team who have him on contract for a long while is crazy stuff.

    If he has no seat next year, he will be a sorry boy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Ferrari strategists seem to have become the Alpine HR department since Sunday



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Just catching up on all the news now, this is great fun. Isn't Piastri's manager Mark Webber? Hopefully they have something in the works to be confident sending out a tweet like that. If he's as talented as some folks say, then he'll be contracted by some team, doubt it'll backfire on him too badly. Hopefully anyway as I'd like to see what he's capable of in an F1 car.

    Alonso doing the dirty on his current team again I see. No wonder that chap only has 2 titles - had the talent for twice that many but awful decision making on his part.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    RE Alonso; We're all experts now but at the time of signing, his decision making seemed wise. Who thought joining Ferrari in 2010 was going to be a bad idea? Ferrari let him down there over the five seasons together, not the other way around. And re-joining McLaren with Ron Dennis back at the helm and Honda coming back to exclusively power them sounded like a fairly good long term plan. But Honda just took too long to get their act together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms



    Alonso doing the dirty on his current team again I see. No wonder that chap only has 2 titles - had the talent for twice that many but awful decision making on his part.

    That's a bit Harsh. Had Mclaren fully supported Alonso in 2007 and Ferrari when he was with them he would at least be a 5 time WDC driver.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    So barring some absolute shock announcement like Perez being sacked or Hamilton retiring (and in both cases those teams have their own potential replacements lined up), McLaren are surely the only team on the grid that Piastri would want to talk to over Alpine. To turn down a works drive for someone like Williams or Haas would be absolutely crazy.

    Given how publicly and definitively he’s ruled out Alpine, he must surely believe he has an air tight deal and if it’s with McLaren that must mean they already know Ricciardo is out. The more I think about it the more I think he’ll be moving sideways to McLaren’s Indy team. He clearly hasn’t been in talks with Alpine as they thought they were announcing Piastri (and thought they were hanging onto Alonso until yesterday) and he’s always been keen on American racing.

    If I was Alpine I’d probably be on the phone to Mick Schumacher now. Even if they do believe they have a valid contract with Piastri he’s burned that bridge publicly so at best they’ll be fighting for compensation in court.

    Who would have thought Vettel’s carefully planned and dignified retirement announcement would directly lead to such a clusterfuck so quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    Get on the phone to Mick Schumacher? For what, to ask him can he do a good fry? He's been well and truly floored by a mediocre, out of shape Kevin Magnussen. He has done nothing to warrant even staying on the grid past his current contract. I'm afraid he's an average driver that fans are hoping turns into something great like his father but its not gonna happen.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76



    Maybe my wording was a bit harsh - possibly due to frustration he hasn't won more titles as I am a fan of his. But him threatening Ron Dennis to rat the team out to the FIA was a dumbass move and possibly cost him drives at RBR and Merc many years later. So what if Lewis screwed him over earlier in qualifying - you don't go threatening the team. I barely remember his Ferrari years tbh other than "Fernando is faster than you" and the fact he couldn't manage to overtake Petrov for god knows how many laps which cost him a 3rd title.

    Anyway, not telling your current team you plan to leave and letting them find out via the AM announcement is a dick move imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Total clown show today from all involved!

    Im actually completely shocked that Piastri would forcefully turn down a seat in F1. I get that his preference is McLaren but his contract is with Alpine, and there’s very little between those 2 right now, both middle tier teams looking to push on. Would have thought a driver would happily take a seat and if he wants to let his contract run out then go for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,528 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    We have to assume he has something concrete with another team to burn that bridge with Alpine. Otherwise he has killed his F1 career before it started.

    Rumour mill (Reddit) is going nuts at the moment and there seems to be talk of Mick being dropped by Haas at the end of the season (when his contract is up. Another possible contender for Alpine if Oscar is gone?

    2 seats still going to William's in the meantime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,717 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭ricimaki


    Reading all of the rumours and theories I've seen online, I'm going to throw my own out there...

    1. Piastri replaces Gasly at AT
    2. Gasly moves to McLaren
    3. Ricciardo moves to Indycar
    4. Schumacher leaves F1
    5. Giovinazzi in at Haas
    6. De Vries replaces Latifi at Williams


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    If big moves are happening, I don't think there will be that many shifts in seats:

    1. Piastri to McLaren
    2. Ricciardo to Alpine (his exit felt rushed from Renault and I think he preferred their car)
    3. DeVries to Williams with Latifi exiting F1. Maybe Indycar would suit him better or Formula E

    The only curveball outside of that is maybe Gasly to Alpine. All French line-up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Albon will be staying at williams by all accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Is that Ryanair taking the piss?

    I think Mark Webber must know something we do not. Maybe he was talking to Daniel and knows Daniel has been back in contact with Alpine and will potentially get that seat. He might have said hey you could go back to Alpine where you were happier and Piestri could replace you. Everyone is happy then.

    I am sure we will all find out in time.

    If Piastri does not get a seat in F1 then he has no one to blame but himself and maybe his manager.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    It's like watching Dragon's Den, where the contestant says their preferred dragons are Peter and Deborah, which makes all the other dragons say they're out.

    And then they don't even get an investment from Peter or Deborah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    But him threatening Ron Dennis to rat the team out to the FIA was a dumbass move and possibly cost him drives at RBR and Merc many years later. So what if Lewis screwed him over earlier in qualifying - you don't go threatening the team. I barely remember his Ferrari years tbh other than "Fernando is faster than you" and the fact he couldn't manage to overtake Petrov for god knows how many laps which cost him a 3rd title.

    Anyway, not telling your current team you plan to leave and letting them find out via the AM announcement is a dick move imo.

    Yes I agree that was a bad thing for him to do.

    Alonso does not do himself any favours at times.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Piastri will quickly learn never burn your bridges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Saw an interesting theory over on reddit:


    I see only one explanation.


    Piastri has already signed elsewhere on the promise of being able to land a far better seat than Alpine. 

    A guaranteed F1 seat with a direct path to a top team seat. If not immediately, but in a few years time.


    There’s no way he’d risk burning bridges at Alpine for anything less than the allure of a top team seat.


    Neither Alpine, nor McLaren can make that offer.

    Not even Ferrari and Mercedes can.


    The first two aren’t top teams, but firmly entrenched in the midfield. The latter have no room to place Piastri.


    The only organization who can offer him both a guaranteed seat and a promise for a direct path towards a top team, is Red Bull.


    Red Bull sign their drivers to the parent organization, rather than either of the 2 teams, allowing them to withdraw or reshuffle appointments as they see fit (except for Verstappen at this point in time).


    Red Bull can easily bench either Gasly or Tsunoda to make room for Piastri. They could place Tsunoda/Gasly at Honda’s Super Formula team. Gasly could even be released to pursue the now vacant Alpine seat.


    So Oscar could sign with Red Bull, get a seat at Alpha Tauri, with a view to getting into current championship contender Red Bull. That might be enough of a draw for Piastri, allowing him to be confident enough to publicly burn the bridges between him and Alpine.


    An Alpha Tauri seat seems the most logical possibility all in all.


    Former Red Bull F1 and Porsche WEC driver Mark Webber, Piastri’s current manager, is also an important part in this equation.


    Webber still has good contacts within Red Bull and Porsche. Despite their differences in 2010 ~ 2013, Webber and Marko currently see eye to eye. I believe it was even Marko who helped Webber get the Porsche WEC drive post F1, using his own Porsche contacts. Marko won Le Mans in 1971 with the record setting 917, whilst being a Porsche factory driver.


    Both Red Bull and Porsche might see promise in Piastri for 2026 and beyond, to possibly put him next to Verstappen, when Porsche is set to join forces with Red Bull, taking a 50% stake in its F1 activities.


    ___


    This might sound implausible to some, but if this pans out, it will simply be history repeating itself.


    This happened earlier in 2014, when Marko was able to snatch away Verstappen from Mercedes by promising a Toro Rosso seat for 2015.


    It's just that everyone seems to think it will be McLaren - there would surely be a leak from there saying they've nothing to do with Piastri if that was the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Harika


    Oscar is a development driver for Alpine, Red Bull has not taken on other dev drivers ever. Lawson is far more likely to replace Gasly or Tsunonda





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭ricimaki


    Meanwhile....

    Paistri could be gunning for Hamilton's seat when he eventually retires...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭eviltimeban




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Harika


    You have to ask what's wrong with Alpine. Alonso running away to the second last team in constructors, Budowski leaving, Piastri fighting to not drive there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Williams will have a hard time living up to Alpines tweet yesterday.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,031 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭patmahe


    That and Alpine seem to have become a team that are happy just to have a presence in F1, they are not gunning for glory. If you look a the recruitment drive Aston Martin have been on and the facilities they are building on the other hand, they are aiming for championships. Whether they can make it all gel that's another thing.



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