F1 2022-Round 13: Hungarian GP

JeffKenna · 31-07-2022 4:03pm

Great race.

Fantastic performance from Max, started P10 and won, even threw in a donut mid race!

Defented the Ferrari strategy team before but there's no defending them after this race.

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 4:04pm

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Look, I'm very clear from well out that Hamilton would run out of laps, but the idea that Hamilton could take 1.3s a lap out of Verstappen wasn't one that was completely mental at that time, because he had been doing that throughout the final stint. Both Max and Hamilton have done it before (to each other) albeit with fresher tyres on each occasion.

Croft and Brundle have a job to sell the race. By pointing out that Hamilton's softs suited the track conditions better than Max's hards, it keeps an audience interested no matter how far-fetched it sounds.

I genuinely think too many think way too much into these things. It was a fun race. Max and Hamilton are still the stars of the show. I just don't see the need to have to whinge about commentators trying to stop people from switching off.

jerry teapot · 31-07-2022 4:05pm

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Would you ever shut the feck up, you annoying chunt.

quokula · 31-07-2022 4:06pm

Amazing job from Max, and from Red Bull. To win from 10th after losing qualy due to an engine issue, racing against two teams with arguably faster cars, on a track where overtaking has traditionally been very difficult, is just a spectacular performance.

He was on it as ever behind the wheel and the team strategy was perfect too They went very aggressive while he nailed the in and out laps, forcing Russell and the Ferraris to react which was ultimately their undoing. Hamilton wasn’t in the same race initially so rather than reacting to Red Bull Mercedes just ran the optimum strategy for race pace, which put him in prime position and was really what Ferrari should have done with Leclerc.

You’d have to say from looking at all six drivers, Mercedes had the fastest car at this track with its unique layout, but Max and Charles were just absolutely on it making the difference, up until Ferrari’s pit wall destroyed Leclerc’s race yet again.

80 point gap in the championship, it’s surely over now. More pressure from Mercedes on Ferrari than anything else I would say in the second half of the season, especially with the rule changes coming in at Spa to help them out.

What a resounding success the new regulations have been though, that was some amount of wheel to wheel racing on a track where that just doesn’t normally happen. Now they just need lighter smaller cars and it would be perfect.

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 4:07pm

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Lol. Welcome 'new user'.

Nice to know my posts encouraged you to sign up to boards and to engage in discussions about Formula One. If you like, you can go to the rugby forum and the Current Affairs Forum for more extensive chats about a variety of topics and, if you're up for something lighter, I enjoy some Love Island as well.

Please enjoy your stay.

KillerShamrock · 31-07-2022 4:09pm

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Who re-registered to post this wow that's pretty sad.

Any way max could dnf every race remaining Ferrari and Charles would find a way to still lose this championship.

Merc are 30 point behind Ferrari, one more race like this and it's defo game over for them.

martyos121 · 31-07-2022 4:10pm

Binotto is the type of lad that queues at the shortest line in the supermarket but there’s nobody at the checkout.

jerry teapot · 31-07-2022 4:10pm

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Kunt.

namloc1980 · 31-07-2022 4:11pm

No doubt Binotto will claim they made all the right calls.

dulpit · 31-07-2022 4:11pm

Red Bull show that they are currently far and away the best team. Their strategy in particular has been excellent.

I'd be putting money on Mercedes finishing ahead of ferrari by end of season now. Clear out needed in ferrari if that happens.

Also, at start of week I predicted Merc to beat ferrari (ignore the Danny Ric bit, that was me being hopeful):

https://twitter.com/dulpit27/status/1551431680421920768

McFly85 · 31-07-2022 4:12pm

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I just don’t see it as realistic. Hamilton himself acknowledged he needed rain to challenge Max.

He did really well against Sainz, but as you say, Max is a different class of driver. He had old tyres but managed them enough to stroll home.

And there was enough going on in this race without the commentary team inventing battles. To be fair Brundle was fairly clear that catching Max in normal conditions wasn’t realistic.

Max and Lewis are by far and away the best drivers in F1, no one else is close. But Max is in a far better car right now, and Hamilton being quick on softs in the last stint doesn’t mean he was just a few laps short of winning it.

Inquitus · 31-07-2022 4:13pm

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Poor Danny Ric's F1 career may well be over after this season, sadly.

Burkie1203 · 31-07-2022 4:14pm

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The mercs were all over the shop in the rain yesterday though.

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 4:14pm

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If you want to discuss knuts, sickles and galleons, you need the Harry Potter forum.

Inquitus · 31-07-2022 4:15pm

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If Lewis started further up the grid he may have had the winning of this race pace wise.

Andrew76 · 31-07-2022 4:16pm

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Whatever about Crofty getting excited about Lewis on the softs - that doesn't bother me at all, I'd expect the same with an Irish comentator for an Irish driver. What does bug me is him coming out with crazy stuff altogether - asking would it be an idea to switch to inters under the virtual safety car for that last lap - beyond stupid that would have been.

I'm still baffled why Ferrari put on those hards - everyone else that put them on struggled. Go longer on the mediums giving Max track position, then come out on softs with a decent amount of laps left and hunt him down - would he not have caught him? Surely would have placed better than 6th.

Longing · 31-07-2022 4:17pm

Toto we need to stay humble for the second half of the season. 😆

thefa · 31-07-2022 4:20pm

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Feel the same for LeClerc. On his day able to compete with Max and the team errors have cost him a lot more this season than his errors. There’s plenty of the season left for him and the team to find more consistency if some changes are made.

Perez form is really poor at the moment ever since Austria. Still picked up some points in the last couple of races but the gap in class to Verstappen from last season has reappeared. Add to that Hamilton regaining his form and the Merc step up in performance and Perez is no longer a favorite for a podium like earlier in the season. Again, plenty of the season left to get some more podiums or a win in the right circumstances.

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 4:22pm

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Ah yeah he does come out with some nonsense in fairness. The inters one was baffling but it's about creating talking points. You have to remember F1 is seeing somewhat of a resurgance in audience since DTS, and putting out questions like this gets people talking. Those of us who stuck with it during the barren years can see through it but others wont. Croft probably knows himself it's a bit nuts but if people are talking then it's job done.

Brundle made a great observation during the race that Ferrari should have put LeClerc on the softs in the middle stint to cover off the two compound rule. They may as well have since the second stint probably wouldn't have been much shorter if he had the softs on.

Ferrari's strategy is all over the shop but, to be fair, Red Bull deserve a lot of credit here. They made strategy calls that forced others to panic and react. That gets lost in this narrative at the best of times.

McFly85 · 31-07-2022 4:27pm

Binotto saying they expected the hards to have good pace after 10-11 laps but didn’t work because the car doesn’t work right.

Absolute nonsense! The whole weekend the hard tyres have looked poor.

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 4:28pm

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And that was when the track temps were a lot higher than they were today as well.

namloc1980 · 31-07-2022 4:31pm

Alpines went backwards when they put on the hards, Ferrari surely saw this but still went with them anyway. The track temperature window simply wasn't there for them to work. Madness altogether. It's actually inexplicable what's going on at Ferrari.

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 4:33pm

Very interesting from Christian Horner on Sky here. He said the initial plan was to start the race on the hards but when everyone struggled on their out laps, they changed the plan to softs.

KillerShamrock · 31-07-2022 4:35pm

I'm starting to think the first few races were flukes and Ferrari are starting to show their true colours in the past 3 or 4 as in a team never actually capable of winning just lucking into looking good at first instead they are mutton dressed as lamb.

Hopefully this floor change reels rb and Ferrari back a bit we have a genuine 2/3 way fight albeit for nothing but pride as the championships are effectively over.

A fight for the remainder of the season between merc and redbull and maybe someone else may win a race cause I don't see Ferrari win one more this season.

Andrew76 · 31-07-2022 4:36pm

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Indeed, good point about DTS and new audiences. To be fair to him it's obviously not an easy job having to commentate and try and keep up to speed with everything going on. He's much less painful to listen too than Herbet, imo anyway.

Thank god for Brundle, by far the best thing about Sky coverage, Karun is great too. Yeah RBR doing great so far this year and Max seems to be driving at a higher level again this year - probably because the pressure is off now having won that first title. Disappointing that Perez's performance has gone backwards I think, the team need him to keep closer to Max.

ctrl-alt-delete · 31-07-2022 4:39pm

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Ah here as if some of them didn't hate you enough already you've thrown the love island comment in there!

pjohnson · 31-07-2022 4:40pm

Whatever about Binotto,Inaki Rueda has been stealing a living since about 2014. Hes the teams "Head of Strategy" since he arrived when Lotus folded and has led some amount of own goals in that time.

Ferrari generally have the worst strategy calls.

Inquitus · 31-07-2022 4:45pm

Binotto trying to justify the hard tyre call. Verstappen and Hamilton's reaction to it tells you all you need to know, it was a stupid idea and Binotto should admit it was a mistake rather than trying to justify it. Even Leclerc himself said he didn't want to go onto the hard.

flazio · 31-07-2022 5:09pm

Skip forward to 24:37. Good analysis of what exactly happened.

https://youtu.be/qThU4CdXM50

SCOOP 64 · 31-07-2022 5:12pm

Mercedes actually now helping Red bull to win the championship taking points away from Ferrari, Mercedes's haven't a chance of winning either with the points difference.

mickdw · 31-07-2022 5:16pm

Croft said for someone outside the points, it might be worth a shot to go for intermediate under vsc.

If there was another 3 or 4 laps left with rain coming down, it would be a sensible enough comment but just not enough laps when he suggested it.

chicorytip · 31-07-2022 5:16pm

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Maybe they should appoint an ex-driver to the role of race tactical controller, sitting on the pit wall, and who would have sole responsibility for strategic decisions like timing of pit stops and choices of tyres during races. Keep the role of team principal as purely that of a general manager. Binotto may be an engineer but he's not a real racing man, nor were his predecessors.

weisses · 31-07-2022 5:18pm

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Nonsense post .... max was cruising the last lap and on a different older tyre. If Lewis had the pace to win he would have won.... simples

Burkie1203 · 31-07-2022 5:41pm

https://twitter.com/marcelkiefer_/status/1553756351398121474?t=nyTf_kIpie8_2366VC4cPw&s=19

....

Faugheen · 31-07-2022 6:07pm

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So by that logic would you say Hamilton didn’t have the pace to win in Abu Dhabi?

quokula · 31-07-2022 6:10pm

Disappointing from Sky interviewing Horner after the race, rather than congratulate them on getting from tenth to first they just went straight to “you were gifted that weren’t you”, similar to Verstappen’s post race interview at Paul Ricard.

Ferrari haven’t exactly showered themselves in glory lately, but Red Bull deserve credit for pushing the issue and forcing mistakes. Leclerc went off while pushing too hard because Max was about to undercut him in France, and they went onto the wrong tyres here because Red Bull took an aggressive early pit stop knowing Ferrari couldn’t go onto the medium and forced Ferrari to choose between switching to hards or being undercut.

The right call obviously would have been to stay out and not react then try to overtake Max on softs later, but if Red Bull hadn’t been so aggressive on strategy and hadn’t executed it so well Ferrari would never have had to make that decision.

Not to mention he also got the better of two Mercedes that both started ahead of him and probably had the better package at this circuit. Hardly a gift.

SCOOP 64 · 31-07-2022 6:10pm

Interviewer : What was the key for that good result today?

Norris : You're looking at him 😂

skipper_G · 31-07-2022 6:26pm

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Which interview was that, the one with Lazenby, Herbert and Karun sitting on the stools?

weisses · 31-07-2022 6:28pm

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hamilton had the pace to win abu Dhabi by a landslide ... But Max had the fresher, compound softer tyre after the sc.

Today Hamilton was able to make his two stints on the yellows longer by managing them well which resulted him being able to switch to softs at the last stint but at that point he was never able to catch verstappen who was just lifting and coasting towards the checkered flag.

weisses · 31-07-2022 6:31pm

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Red Bull living rent free in the heads of so many british pundits.

Today was a masterclass by RB and Verstappen ..... Next time however I would recommed the donuts to be done after the finish

JRant · 31-07-2022 6:39pm

The RB pit wall won that race. Perfectly timed pits to undercut. I think Mx gained like 4/5 positions from the pits which is some going and was the winning of the dmrace for him.