F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

Are Porsche starting from scratch or will they be building from the Honda engine? If they're building from scratch then it could be a bumpy start. Unlikely to be as bad as Honda's start but unlikely to be a top engine straight out of the gate.

Its a bit mad, after the success last year they actually they made a u turn at the last minute which is why there is a HRC logo on the cars. It meant RB powertrains (now Porsche) will get any concessions a new manufacturer is allowed because it will be a totally new supply for 26.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-set-to-extend-direct-red-bull-supply-to-2025/7677145/

Yeah, I'd say they'll bring over a lot of tech from the 919 development

I said nothing was on fire, back to you. Don't dodge a simple question now.

You said

"What do you see out the window that is wildly different from any time in your living memory?"

I'd answer yes, in my near 50 years on this planet' it is vastly different, and there's the science to back to up. Do you dispute the science of climate change?

If you've an issue with the post, report it, don't backseat mod. And it's completely on topic given Vettle's stance on global warming

Lewis loves his fashion and always turns up in mad clothes, can we start taking about Gucci as it would be relevant using your logic?

Completely irrelevant, thanks for the advise though, reported it👍

Glad Vettel is retiring, racing instincts are long gone and probably should have done after he left Ferrari. Thought the 2018 WC was pretty much there for the taking for him, Hockenheim from that year still sickens me. That one race was pretty much the beginning of the end for Vettel.

Think Vettel's retirement deserves a thread of it's own to be honest.

Herbert really is a grade A clown

People forget about the fact that a piece actually fell off Vettel's front wing shortly before he went off at that Hockenheim race too - he was on a tricky wet track, with an unexpected change in aero balance in the car coming into that corner relative to other laps which led to him going off. Ever the team player, he always shielded Ferrari and took blame for everything but that crash was as much down to a car failure as it was down to him. The media tore him to shreds after that of course, because he was pantomime villain of the month for the UK media, following Rosberg and before Verstappen. And Ferrari did him no favours either as they always throw their drivers under the bus to cover for the team's failings, all of which led to him being put under impossible pressure in the closing stages of the season.

The Ferrari had no right to be in the title fight that year and Vettel drove the wheels off the thing against a superior car. Ultimately it wasn't enough but his performances were nothing short of epic. When you have to drive to the absolute limit 100% of the time against a car that can do the same pace when pushing at 95%, you're going to be taking more risks. Ferrari's own investigation into their performance that season actually came to that conclusion, that they didn't provide adequate machinery and Vettel had to push to an unreasonable degree. They also found many operational problems with strategy etc where Vettel often had to dictate decisions from the cockpit in addition to driving on the absolute limit, while the team also came to the conclusion that they cost themselves by never using team orders or tactics to help their number one driver like Mercedes routinely did. This is why Arrivabene was sacked after the season, though Binotto has been no improvement.

It is a different scenario this year, operationally they're still useless but the Ferrari does look very much like the fastest car (and though much has been made of reliability, Charles and Max are currently equal with 2 mechanical DNFs each), while Leclerc's simply made some errors under pressure from a flawless Verstappen, but he's receiving an easy ride from the media (making up phantom throttle problems to try to excuse him for example, or simply descibing it as "another unfortunate DNF from the lead") because Verstappen and Red Bull are still the media's anointed villains as a hangover from the narrative they were pushing last year (see the cringeworthy video of Johnny Herbert above)

I agree with Karun on that one.

Albon staying at Williams next year and rumours on SM that Logan Sargeant will be his team mate

Mick S won't renew with FDA and is off to replace Seb at AM

Haas would need to recruit. Have Ferrari got anyone to place there .....

Robert Shwartzmann would surely get the Haas seat, he's the ferrari test driver. He was Micks team mate in F2, he races under the Israeli flag because the whole banning Russians

Sky will have it live.

C4 will only have the highlights later this evening.