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The BIG thread on how to import from Japan

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    You don't have 7 days to go through the NCT, where did you see that?


    Car arrives to the docks, your customs agent tells you how much you owe and you send them your Original copy of the Bill of Lading and once payment clears then you're allowed to collect the car. After that, you have 28 days to present the car at a VRT center without accruing a late fee. From that point, you can NCT the car whenever you want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Kaldo


    Copying and pasting from the NCT:

    "An appointment to have your vehicle inspected must be made within 7 days of the vehicle entering the State in order to register and pay the VRT (and any other tax liabilities due on the vehicle). You must then complete the registration process within 30 days of arriving in the State."

    How do you move the car from the docks without NCT, car license, Motor tax or car insurance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    An appointment needs to be made within 7 days, that appointment could be up to 30 days after the car landing at the port.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    I'm looking at the Audi A7 3.0tfsi, a dealer in Dublin has 5 of them, all Jap imports. However when I look on ros VRT calculator to how much it would cost to VRT one it doesn't list the car when I tick the box for a Japanese import. If I untick it, so it goes through as a UK import then it recognises the newer more powerful version.

    Is there any difference in the VRT rates between jap and UK imports?

    It comes back as just over 6k! I can't see how a dealer has bought one, imported it, paid customs and VAT, then VRT and sell it for a profit at around €19,995.

    To make any decent profit he would have had to have bought the car for around 8k Max.

    Am I missing something?

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    VRT is usually lower on Jap imports due to official Japanese emissions figures being lower and and a lower OMSP on the VRT calculator. On a €20k car a big dealer would be making at least €3k or more. Cars are cheap in Japan, its the freight, customs, and vrt that is expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    A 2011 A7, 77000km 3.5 grade. It sold for 6000 euros 2 weeks ago at an auction in japan, then its + + + + everything until you vrt it, I would think that an English car would be valued a little more and you would pay more vrt as a result



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    6k! Is that all!?! Wow! That's a lot cheaper than I thought.

    I'm surprised the VRT calculator doesn't recognise the car as this dealer has, I presume, already put 5 through it. Another dealer had one not long ago too, I thought once a similar car had been entered it recognised it.

    Thanks for replies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    In the above image, is the last figure on the right the average price?

    Trying to make sense of it all.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    4,000 yen more like 4,000,000? Or maybe the th means it's thousands so 4,000 thousand so 4,000,000.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    It's confusing, 450,000 yen is only 3067 Euro, so surely a 2017 Civic Type R wouldn't sell for that low. However 4 million yen is over 30k Euro, so wouldn't be that high. What if it's actually in Euros, as JDM is based in Ireland, maybe that's the conversion? But again 4.5k for a Civic Type R 2017, surely that's too low.


    On a side note the VRT calculator website is fairly useless. When choosing the Japanese import option it has hardly any cars listed. I tried Subaru's, Evo's, even a Nissan GTR and it doesn't have any of them even though the majority of those cars in this country would have came in via Japan. I expected that once a car had gone through once it would be in the database, but doesn't seem to be the case.

    There's also no logic to it. I thought it was mostly based around emissions, yet I've put in details for 4+ltr V8's that come back at around 2-3k, yet a 2ltr Golf R or Civic Type R are over 10k 🤔


    On a happy note, I was able to get an insurance quote from a comparison site for a 2008 Nissan GTR for €680 😂

    Thanks for replies 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    As far as I can see, your picture is the car catalog, It gives information about the car its year, and price (Recommend retail).

    Yen in thousands, so its 4.5 million or so, the thing I noticed is that 5-year-old cars are nearly the same price at auction, supply and demand, it might be better to spend a million or more and go up a few years.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    Oh I see, so that's the original retail price, 4.5 million yen, €30,600.

    That makes sense.

    I've sent an email to the company, they're based in Mullingar. Asked them for a bit of info. Without any real info on prices it's hard to know where to start.

    Thanks 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    Found this website, gives average prices so a bit more helpful.

    https://auc.japancardirect.com/aj_neo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    JDM auction watch are good. You tell them the max you want to spend and after that, all you pay is the VRT, they arrange everything else. The aul fella bought a 1303s Bettle through them the other year. No hassle.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jdl108


    Does anyone know if VAT has to be paid from importing a car from Japan to Ireland, on top of VRT? Is customs duty a separate thing also?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon




  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jdl108


    The first post is from 10 years ago, is this still exactly the situation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I'd imagine so as the only difference when buying things now is from the UK nothing changed ordering from Japan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jdl108


    The idea of importing a used car from Japan looks increasingly less appealing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭tugii20


    I am also looking into this model, in Ireland 2011 version costs 12000upwards depends, how about in Japan? will I save lot or not much>



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  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭tugii20


    Toyota Prius 2015 plus costs 16000euro in Ireland.

    How about in Japan ? same year plus shipping + insurance + auction fee, shipping fee, duty fee, VAT fee, port handling fee,VRT,?

    anyone had Imported Toyota Prius year 2009 to 2016 in the past? will battery be okay during export? do I have to change tyre when it arrive in Ireland?

    I guess it is cheaper in Japan that's why many dealers are selling it in Ireland (Japanese imported cars)

    how much would you save if you buy from Japan auction house?

    Any Japan auction house you would recommend and shipping company?

    if I have friend in Japan then can person bid on auction behalf of me?

    Does bidding have to be made from inside auction house computer or I can bid anywhere around world?

    Is there any company who looks after everything like bidding and shipping behalf of me? Name the cheapest company?

    I do not really understand roll on roll off ferry thing? how does it work? Do I drive my car into ferry and park it there?is that roll on roll off thingy?


    AUCNET Auctions

    USS Auction

    TAA Auction

    ARAI Auction House

    JAA Auction House

    BAYAUC Auction House

    CAA Auction House

    ASNET Auction House

    Honda Auto Auction House

    which one will you recommend or used before?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    That's a hell of a lot of questions, most of which have already been answered if you read through the thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭tugii20


    I know it is a lot question, rather than asking one single questions, it is 13 page already but I am looking answers more recently like after covid purchase from Japan to Ireland year 2020 onwards,

    things are changed a lot comparing to year 2013



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    Nothing has changed since then. Read the first post, that explains everything



  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭tugii20


    anyone imported second hand car from Japan recently then please share it

    like what auction house used and how much was 20ton container ,,,,,, so on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    The only thing that has changed from the first post is that you need to add a zero to end of the prices he quotes!

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    You do not use a container. They RORO, in other words they drive on to ship like you do going to England or France and then drive off at the destination. I could be wrong but I think they change ship once it leaves Japan and gets to a main European dock and onto another ship on the way to Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭jamesbil


    Great info thanks.

    Toying with the idea of importing a mini truck. Diahatsu Hijet or similar.

    Read somewhere that there would be no vat and vrt only 200. I'm assuming that would only be for a vintage pre '93?

    Also what would be the deal on Nox?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭jamesbil


    And the 23% vat is on total including shipping?

    Is the low vrt, no customs or nox charge because its pre 93?

    What charges would apply to say a 2003?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    Yes and yes

    For normal cars its 10% customs, 23% VAT, VRT and Nox depends on the car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Customs and nox depends on the car, 10% for anything not made in japan and over 3 years since it was imported into japan from the EU, for cars made in japan customs duty is around 4% dropping 1,2% a year, so in 3 years time no customs for Japanese made cars.

    EU cars for cheese deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭DelBoy Trotter


    I am interested in getting a 2007/2008 Honda Civic Type R FD2. If I saw one I liked in the UK, how does the VRT work? It would still be charged as if it was coming from the Japan (as that's where it was first registered), is that correct? I had a quick look at the VRT calculator and for a 2007 FD2 with 120,000km, the price is going back at just under €1850

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    No if it's on English plates then it is done importing from UK which costs more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭rpg


    Sorry if this offends anyone but I don’t find the first post of this thread really useful at all - not anymore anyway. It gives little to zero insight about how and where to look, and what to expect really in 2023. I see others have been shot down requesting such information but it’s desperately in need of an update, in my opinion. Some of the things gone into detail over aren’t even relevant to the vast majority of buyers.

    Thanks to the recent posters (<12 months) who have given info on their own experience. That’s been more helpful than anything previous.

    If I manage to do it I’ll happily provide an up to date log of everything I encounter, best sites, service, timelines, costs etc. I’m finding the Irish market exceptionally poor value for money/quality at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    I'm in the early stages of importing a car. I'm using https://www.jdmauctionwatch.com/

    They will import the car for you, with all paperwork, shipping, customs and VAT.

    You register on the site to be able to view the cars coming up for auction. To place a bid you pay a €500 deposit. I won a car at auction last Friday, so I now have to pay 75% of total cost (which I have done). When the vehicle is 2 weeks from arrival I have to pay the remainder.

    When the car lands I just have to collect it and bring it for VRT and NCT.

    A lot of the info in the thread is still relevant, although some of the costs have gone up. Shipping especially. I'm importing a 5 series BMW, shipping for that is around €1800

    Another site I found helpful was https://auc.japancardirect.com/st?classic

    although they don't do the full service that JDM Auction Watch do, if you register you can view the prices of cars which you can't on JDM. Just remember, the prices you see on there are just for the car. They don't include any of the fees etc.

    For example, a 2012 BMW 5 series hybrid for 749,000 JPY = €5229

    After all fees, shipping, VAT and customs, total would be around €12,500 landed in Ireland.

    The standard of the used cars there is very good though. The example I've used above has only 35,000kms on it from new.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭rpg


    Thanks a million for that. I will check all that out this evening. Similar car, similar or slightly less of a budget, so should find it useful.

    And yes possibly a little unfair criticism on the usefulness on the thread - I think it’s spilling over from the frustration of looking at several Irish cars over the last few weeks and being very disappointed. Bang for buck is shocking!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Just bought an Ignis hybrid

    Top spec in co Dublin

    Would loved to have gone down the import route,

    but between lack of information and I'd a car to trade aswell I chose to buy.

    Tried local ( cork ) to get a decent deal for near 2 months,no joy.

    This is my 4 th Jap import and would seriously recommend them.

    I was able to check my cars rating etc, got a decent trade on my 2012 Honda insight es.

    6 months warranty and got a head unit installed and cars fully valeted and really like new.

    Saved near e750 by going to Dublin.

    Maybe if I'd enough cash to buy direct in Japan I'd do it,but I'm a worrier and the car u buy in Japan may not live up to your expectations when it rolls off the ferry.

    I wish whoever buys direct the v best.

    Few things to consider.

    Make sure car comes with 2 keys,

    Some don't.

    Remember you'll have to get a head unit installed,and or language changed etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Just bought an Ignis hybrid

    Top spec in co Dublin

    Would loved to have gone down the import route,

    but between lack of information and I'd a car to trade aswell I chose to buy.

    Tried local ( cork ) to get a decent deal for near 2 months,no joy.

    This is my 4 th Jap import and would seriously recommend them.

    I was able to check my cars rating etc, got a decent trade on my 2012 Honda insight es.

    6 months warranty and got a head unit installed and cars fully valeted and really like new.

    Saved near e750 by going to Dublin.

    Maybe if I'd enough cash to buy direct in Japan I'd do it,but I'm a worrier and the car u buy in Japan may not live up to your expectations when it rolls off the ferry.

    I wish whoever buys direct the v best.

    Few things to consider.

    Make sure car comes with 2 keys,

    Some don't.

    Remember you'll have to get a head unit installed,and or language changed etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    and or language changed etc.

    I'm pretty sure new head unit is the only way as you cannot change the language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    Not much yet. I've paid the initial 75% of cost. Waiting for car to arrive at port. Then should be getting sent some detailed photos.

    I'm emailing them today to get an update.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    When did you pay for the car? In todays market I’d expect to be waiting 6 to 9 months for the car to arrive



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 landlord2020


    Trying to understand the total costs here .. the car I was looking at was a Lexus and the average price they sell the model I was looking at seems to be about 6 Million yen

    So thats €41,500 , Shipping etc maybe €2.5K = €43,500

    Customs = €4,350 ( 10% of €43,500 )

    VAT = €9,135 ( 21% of 43,500 ?)

    VRT = €17K ( based on UK calc .. car not in japanese vrt )

    So total = €73,985

    is this ball park correct ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    Customs is 3% as its built in Japan. For a car at that price point, add around €1,000 on top of the auction selling price, as the company your buying through will charge a fee. Add around €500 for tax, nct, port fees etc. VAT is calculated on car + freight + customs. VRT will most definitely be different to the UK calculation



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  • Registered Users Posts: 36 landlord2020


    In what way is the VRT different, typically more or less (significantly)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 landlord2020


    seems to me you'd be taking a huge chance on VRT if there is no way to calculate it and you cant go off the UK price at all ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭User1998


    Usually less expensive, but if the car isn’t on the VRT calculator from Japan then Revenue will manually determine the vehicles value and calculate the VRT owed which can be expensive. So if you wanted to get a worst case scenario you would find out the Co2, the VRT rate, and how much the car is worth here on Irish plates and work it out that way



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 landlord2020




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