Fines for speeding, phone use, no belts set to double

Yes its not a cliche, fallacy or Myth would have been more accurate.

If you want to have a top 10 list of things and start with item number 42 in order of priority (1+1=42 etc) on that list, I don't think its safety your chasing.

Suggestion...

This isn't that discussion, as fines for speeding, phone use, no belts don't apply to cyclists.

If someone wants to start a discussion on Cyclists fixed charge notices best to start another thread.

1st reply = nail on head. Its the low chance of getting caught or detected that leads to the errant behaviours, be it speeding, phone use, cutting corners/Bends, tailgating, red light running etc etc right down to illegal parking on pavement, cycle lanes or where its otherwise prohibited.

Enforcement has to increase to positively impact behaviour as a threat of a fine is not sufficient a d deploying more tech to detect the easily detectable things.

Getting disqualified motorists off the road would also help calm things down. Cameras on lights to detect jumping would in my opinion calm things too. Motorists frequently accelerate significantly to pass a red light and don't slow if the road is clear ahead. Would they do this if the camera was likely to catch them? Unlikely.

I think you'll find that's exactly what is coming their way

https://www.newstalk.com/news/figures-reveal-loss-nearly-e26m-gosafe-speed-vans-992624

That the fines and points are targeted on certain things and fines also increase for exceeding specific limits. Which are changed as needs be would entirely disagree with you.

This thread is about EXACTLY that. "....Fines for speeding, phone use, no belts set to double...."

M50 80km/h for about 1/4 of length with no one working on road works at weekends and evenings and large parts with only cones and no sign of work. 100% of cars zip right past me on cruise control on the limit. It's been like this for 6 months+

The whole city centre is planned to be 30km/h even on 2 lane main routes 24/7/365 with speed vans at 3am on the quays. A couple of speed bumps at pedestrian death areas would have better impact. It's often pedestrian fault they are hit by cars at crossings as they are drunk.

Many old roads that were bypassed went from 100km/h national roads to 80km/h with 90% of the traffic gone. The speed seems to have been dropped as they are no longer NRA roads, but same road with less traffic.

In NI those towing caravans on dual carriageway can go more than 80km/h but not in ROI.

Speed limits are not targets but when they are crazy low people ignore them.

On m50 people go below 120km/h in that section and above 100km/h. These are the same cars that just drive around 110km/h the whole length including road works.

Kilmac is a great example, one speed north bound, a different speed south bound, pedestrian bridge & concrete barrier. Limits are more local politics than road engineering based. Gardai hiding with hair dryer knowing 90% of cars naturally drive over the limit.

Lots of motorway grade roads at 100km/h or even 80km/h.

I think there a genuine case to be made that there are some daft limits, too high and too low.

Limits aren't always set based on road engineering principles. Sometimes they are set for other reasons like politics. Perhaps noise, perhaps its park. Lots a factors at play.

But people generally ignore them if set to low (and not enforced). Studies have shown that if they are set reasonably most people stick close to the posted limits. Another study showed that most people stick to a reasonable limit even without signs.

Note "most" there's always outliers.