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Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    That's the one I was talking about. Enough there to scare the shite out of Jonny Russian!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm not clear on the weapon and sensor comparisons between this and the Gripen. Online the Gripen seems to win most comparisons. If that's fair or not I don't know. Some talk of the meteor missile.

    How much of that weapon capability on the FA50 operational vs aspirational. Because that seems be where light fighters fall down in the past. Some of these systems are never deployed on these types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    It's a bit handy that it can take the Sidewinder!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Ah yes thats why QRA is maintained & why new fighter aircraft keep getting developed, the USAF must feel so stupid bringing out a new variant of the F22 Raptor to name it the Super Raptor...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Given that the Raptor replacement is already into flight testing and the limited numbers and industrial supply chain for the F22, how long it remains in service might be interesting, course the B21 is the main priority right now for the USAF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    Poland is getting serious fire power from South Korea the aircraft and artillery along with tanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭sparky42


    It’s a serious order, but paying for it is another question, PiS is playing some “funny money” schemes and even then the defence budget will have to increase even beyond what they have already stated to pay for everything they have ordered and the manpower increases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    Yeah completely agree, it’s strange that both coalition party’s over there actually agreed on that increase with it being such a jump to 5% they are normally very conservative spenders, but they are spending big and rightly so to be fair. It would be interesting to see what factors where taken into account considering there was a top level resignation from PiS just before the announcement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,533 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I daresay the only factor taken into account was the big chuffing War going on in the Country next door.

    I would doubt that the FA-50 are intended to replace the Sukhois, they're a different beast altogether.

    But for training towards the F-16 and for conducting tactical anti-armour strikes at an Army massing on the border, they're just the ticket.

    Money and policy and all that which requires the luxury of time are of no matter at the moment. All thats going on is NATO is fixing to equip its vulnerable members as quickly and as massively as possible, using allied suppliers, such as South Korea.

    It may be that Countries like Poland are being expedited for new fighter/attack aircraft in order to send their old Soviet era hardware to Ukraine.

    In my opinion, the best thing that NATO could do right away, is start quietly reactivating its Gen 4 fighters that are in storage in the American desert. Simple and plentiful F-16s would make a big difference in the East, especially in those countries with ex Soviet hardware suitable for donation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Poland is also considering buying F15's, or more F35's or the ROK KF21...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    You would nearly think that something happened near poland that that they are arming themselfs to the teeth!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭sparky42


    On the other hand at the rate they are going they are going to end up like some of the Arab nations with bits from everywhere, I pity everyone in their logistical branch trying to support multiple fleets of similar equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,533 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    If I was handed a cheque for 5 Billion quid and was told, 'this is for the Air Corps only and you may only purchase F-21s with it....I'd hand the cheque back and walk away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Maybe the Yanks will make a $5 billion contribution to Ireland via their new version of Lend Lease? 😃

    Meanwhile Lockheed Martin seem to be promoting the F-21 & F-50 worldwide sales campaign. I didn't even know even India was involved with them?

    I don't think any Lend Lease would happen but I would love to see the meltdown of the hard left PBP Daly, Wallace types, & SF would be tying themselves in knots!

    Unfortunately the rest of the politicians & parties are frightened of the small minority faction of the hard left & their overrepresentation in national media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,533 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    But sure the T7-A is the T38 replacement. No doubt a line fighter variant, like the F5 was, will emerge from that programme too.

    An ideal light fighter/trainer for Western customers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I noticed in the recent article I posted about Polish arms and aircraft purchase fron south Korea....that the delivery of the light fighters is extremely rapid. Impressed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Its not just that, their manufacturing infrastructure is much newer than legacy facilities in the West without the restrictions that adds on, I mean just look at how the yard building the Type 26 has issues and is only now thinking of building a covered section for full assembly but is limited due to preexisting buildings. They and China have the same advantages now that the US had over other nations during WW2 in that the manufacturing capabilities are effectively brand new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    They South Koreans are some operators . I remember warching a programme on the Hyundai ship yards. Even down how to cook had being planned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    His not wrong they are a monumental waste of money for Ireland we have far more pressing issues to spend the money on if we scrapped the entire defense forces in the morning by in large no one would even notice, who are we going to be attacked by? And anyone with the capability to attack us the defense forces wouldn't be able to stop anyway so they are by in large ineffective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    We are a member of the European Union and an attack on the EU is an attack on our quality of life and freedoms. The scenario is not "what if Russia decides to unilaterally invade Ireland".

    We are on the front line of any conflict between Europe and any world power. A war at sea (our neck of the woods) is much more tolerable than a war on land, in the east of Europe for example.

    In WW2, our neutrality counted for nothing and but for Britons merchant marine we would have been sucking on turf for nutrition.

    If I stopped paying for house insurance in the morning, I wouldn't notice a jot of difference tomorrow morning, or the day after that. But only a looper would go without house insurance.

    You should change your username to 'TheNonsense89'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,359 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    “if we scrap the entire defense forces by and large nobody would notice”…

    the defence forces are not meant to be noticed..

    we would be unlikely to be of the ability to stave off invasion on our own but as first line of defence they are critical,

    how many countries have zero defence forces… very few and they are mostly islands and territorial atolls and so forth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    If your fictional scenario and over exaggerating of our defense forces was true which its not... we wouldn't be much use to the defense of Europe anyway would we considering the capability of the defense forces or lack of em... and ironically enough we couldn't be further from the frontline we are the very definition of "safety" when it comes to a war vs Russia.

    A better analogy would be if you kept paying house insurance only to find out when you needed it, it doesn't do jack **** and was incapable of fulfilling its purpose in the first place.

    Kind Regards,

    TheTruth89.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Spell it what ever way you like its still about as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike when it comes to defense or war fighting vs anyone with the ability to attack us... Delusional...

    Say we did decide to defend Europe in the fictional scenario the other poster came up with... how would we even get our 10000 troops to the frontline? RyanAir is it? 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Who's gonna attack us? the UK at one side and America at the other we can more than afford to have no defense force at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,533 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Why the eff would you try to carry 10,000 fully equipped troops by air, when its only a 20 hour sea voyage to the Continent? 3 or 4 civilian ferries would do it. You know, just like civilian ships have been requisitioned for mass deployment in every war since ships were invented...

    Seems you don't know a whole heap about DefenCe, do you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Ah stop its getting ridiculous now the baaais floating over on the ferry to defend europe 🤣🤣



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