Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Not as far as I'm aware, no.

I was replying to Bannasidhe's post showing a muscular woman in, what I believe to be, an attempt to try to show that transwomen (who after all are biological men who identify as female) don't have a physical advantage over biological women. I'm sure Bannasidhe will correct me if that wasn't the intention.

If the muscular female in Bannasidhe's post is indeed a biological female, then this is an outlier as biological female athletes tend to be smaller and less muscular than biological male athletes. And there are outliers everywhere. Brittney Griner who is 6 feet 9 inches tall is a good 1 foot 3 inches taller than I am (male), but it would be wrong to infer that women are taller than men due to that example.

"At non-elite level it's pretty uncontroversial to say that not recognising a person as being of the gender they identify is a transphobic position."

I call BS on that. Your attiudde seems to be that elite level athletes are entitled to a level of fairness that non-elite athletes are not entitled to. I can say with certainty that in the sports I participate in that would be regarded as a digusting attiitude, including by the elites in the sport. EVERYONE competing in sports should be afforded the same level of fairness, irrespective of the level they are competing at. Nono elite's participating in the female sex category are just as entitled to level of fairness of females competing at elite level

Thankfully an increasing number of sports governing bodies are taking steps to prioritiese fairness in sex cateogories, whilst still tying to be as inclusive as possible.

Of course even if it wasn't the case you'd be buidling up a world of problems by creating another categorisation of Elite and non-elite. How would you sort out that for events like the (hugely prestigous and finacially rewarding) events like the London marathon where everyone is ranked together (irrespective of their classification as elite or non-elite, profesional or amatuer, full time or hobbyist)?

Based on that logic then there should be no male or female categories and perhaps only weight categories in sports such as combat sports.

No point in arguing this much longer, most sports where physical ability is an advantage are going to ban transwomen competing against biological women, they will have their own category or can compete against biological men, the argument is over, trans women will be excluded from women spaces as are biological males, the world will go on and trans people will realise they can compete in any sport they like in a category suitable for them and OTHERS.

My point being that fairness has to include OTHERS which the trans movement seem to have neglected as they went after what they wanted with no respect to what OTHERS wanted, others namely being biological women competing in sports.

Game over: they are "Othered"

Great.

Of course you don't, I never expected you would.

The transphobia slur to stop people talking about the unrealistic desire for Transwomen to compete against Biological women is no longer having the impact it once had, when one is tarred now with that slur, people look into what they have said to deserve such insults and have found people like JK Rowling who spoke common sense when others were frightened to voice their concerns, its no longer a slur as it has been used way way out of context to instill fear in people to prevent them speaking out, The UK women Cyclists and the USA women swimmers are only the beginning of the push back, people are no longer afraid as we saw with the lifeline debate.

Did I use transphobia as a slur?

Maybe focus on what I write and not what you 'expect' me to write. If you would like to have a constructive conversation I'm happy for you to try and explain how it is Othering cis women.

Happy to disagree with you so.

Your comment that we are expected to worry about who Lia Thomas beats is right on the money, you nay not worry about it and the couple of others on this thread with the same ideology but I assume you know the majority of other people with an interest in sport do worry about it, fairness is at the heart of sport and a biological male no matter what medical intervention they have undergone will not be acceptable to the majority of people, the debate is all but over and in time you will have to accept that it was never going to be allowed.

The 12 year old limit introduced by FINA has opened this up to a lot more people who previously had no idea what was happening with puberty blockers in young children.

I was referring to individual sports not team sports, however your example are still elite males or just below elite level

Can you answer a direct simple question then. Do you think there should be seperate male and Female categories in sports, and if so, why?