Mayo GAA Discussion

irishgeo · 11-07-2022 02:36PM

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29th of July for expressions of interest

PARlance · 11-07-2022 02:42PM

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I've too much on at the moment 🤣

Sebastian Dangerfield · 11-07-2022 03:17PM

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I wonder if we all over-emphasise the Ciaran Mc effect due to his legendary status. Yes RoD and Conroy have come through well, but we've rarely looked like a well coached attacking team in his time. Players go through on goaland time and time again pull it wide or blast it chest height at the keeper, often with a free man screaming beside them. How many goals do Dublin get palming in balls played across the square? We ruin those chances every time.

Add to that the lack of scoring threat of the likes of DoC and the repeated meltdowns kicking wide in last years final and all this year, and I personally wouldnt be looking at anyone coaching those forwards and giving him more responsibility.

PARlance · 11-07-2022 03:25PM

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I am quite possibly over-emphasising his effect. I just thought he seemed to add a bit more confidence in our general forward play in his first year. I think there was something behind the supposed mini bust-up with Horan and he didn't seem to have the same role/presence this year... But all this is in my head and I haven't a clue really.

PressRun · 11-07-2022 05:14PM

You did hear a lot of rumours that essentially Horan had the last word on everything and wasn't always likely to take on board the advice of a backroom team, especially if they contradicted him. I'm sure some of this stories you'd hear are exaggerated but it's also possible there is some element of truth given Horan is someone who has a definite football philosophy that he kind of wants everyone to buy into.

Interesting that the county board are saying they are casting the net wide and looking outside the county too. I'm still not convinced that they haven't already made up their minds though.

homewardbound11 · 11-07-2022 05:47PM

I thought apart from the buzz of a former great we are worse off offensively. We had a defensive coach in Buckley and that worked . We need an offensive coach with a track record .

what ever team it is I just want Solan in there and possibly one other as manager .

spakman · 11-07-2022 06:55PM

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Why do you want Solan over anyone else? Genuinely asking

12-07-2022 12:41PM

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Not surprised that Horan had the last word on everything, that's just the guys nature.

On the McDonald thing I do think a lot of people over rate his influence and/or effectiveness.

We've discussed here all year about how the loss of Conroy and later O'Donoghue had affected Mayo, and how the replacements don't seem up to it.

If the forwards coach was as good as he is supposed to be them the replacements could have been up to it, or at least more up to it.

I'm looking forward to the management change.

muddle84 · 12-07-2022 12:50PM

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Also looking forward to the change! Anxious to see who comes in and what they can bring to the table. Horan did another fantastic job and has left a panel with huge potential there to build on!

Audioslaven · 12-07-2022 11:48PM

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Tbh, Horan was right to back himself as it worked out for him on most occasions. I hope we get a guy that is as driven as Horan and gives the same level of commitment. We can never question his desire to bring Mayo on. I do think he went a little soft and lost his ruthless streak as I am not sure Horan from part 1 would have played Coen/AOS as much. The new guy needs to make some big calls on players. I would even go as far as making an example of someone to set the tone. if the new guy doesn't then we are back in the merry go around with defeats in the latter end of the championship as we currently have too many passengers in the panel.

MayoAreMagic · 13-07-2022 12:31AM

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Surely the manager is always going to have the final say though? I dont see anything unreasonable about that to be honest, it is his head in the chopping block at the end of the day.

Also, if he is so single-minded and set in his own ways, then why do people think that he would be giving special treatment to any players? The two dont really go together.

I think a far more likely explanation is that he didnt rate what was there to replace aos or coen or whoever. When you think about it, who is actually there that could take coens place at 6? O'hora? Not sure he is a whole pile better tbh. Losing harrison was huge to my mind. Our replacements are either too young or below the required level. That is how coen is starting - he is the best of the rest.

WJL · 13-07-2022 12:34AM

Hard on the U17s after beating Galway well twice. They didn't get going at all. Some fine chaps who might develop into good seniors. U17 is only big kids, very young, flat performances happen.

ethical · 13-07-2022 11:12AM

John Maughan stepped down as Offaly manager.....................only saying!

PARlance · 13-07-2022 11:43AM

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Not that I would have him in the running for the Mayo job but I wonder what they made of him in Offaly...

Promotion to Division 2 wasn't a bad achievement but I think it was during the covid half season wasn't it. Straight down again this year.

RedDevil55 · 13-07-2022 12:16PM

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I think Horan was still ruthless the last few years bringing through young players and sidelining some veterans with a decade of experience. Don't really see the issue with playing Coen and O'Shea. Both were very good vs Kerry in the first half especially. O'Shea was one of our best players vs Monaghan too. No obvious player on the bench that should have started instead.

Of course the new manager needs to freshen things up on the panel to keep lads on their toes.

ethical · 13-07-2022 12:22PM

I was surprised he stepped down but I think its at the end of his contract. He had introduced quite a number of young players to the senior team and their trajectory in on the way up. Somewhat unlucky to loose to Wexford (who were a mess against Dublin) in the Leinster Championship this year. Offaly would have put up a better showing against the Dubs than Wexford did. I wonder would he be interested in the Mayo job, was that the reason he didn't look for an extension in Offaly?

So much talk about who the new manager of Mayo should be and some downright rude remarks from some 'punters' when certain things are pointed out about certain candidates.

This business of appointing someone from outside and 'funding' them appropriately, should it be entertained? People saying that in a new short season the idea of a manager from the other side of the country taking the Mayo job would not be as difficult as in the past, with less travelling etc.

My own view on this new shorter season is that it is too condensed and I 'd expect things to revert to a proper season in the near future. Last years AI was what it was due to Covid etc. but having a season start in May and end before July is out(like this years) is not good...expect CP to knock it on the head soon.This years gate takings will be well down due to no Mayo and no replays. The only people the 'new' condensed season supports are the players that get knocked out of the All Ireland series early, they can go to the USA and play in the American Championship and then return to play in their own Club Championship come August.

Will McStay let his name go forward and if he does will he take McHale with him and will the dinosaurs stop it in its tracks like before?

The idea of a total outsider 'who has no favorites as regards the players' is something that I've been hearing a lot lately would be the best option. Saying this sort of thing went on would be attacked by many psychopaths and that's being kind to them! Unfortunately there is a fear amongst some hardened one directional individuals that do not look outside the box and never will. Until this weakness is accepted and worked on we will never move on.

To be fair to J.Horan and the Mayo team they have given an awful lot,to not only Mayo fans, but to the whole country and beyond over the past 10 years and more.Of course there were some mistakes made but nobody is perfect.

Its amazing to look back at the GAA as a whole and look at someone like Mick O'Dwyer who was the whole management team of the great Kerry performers back in the 70' and 80' yet today there are more back room people than there are players and then there is the Mayo set up with this and more who consider themselves just as important as all the players, backroom personnel etc who have made their lives and reared their families from the 'crumbs' garnered off the back of some great people.Its not right but these people see themselves as 'privileged' and will never go away,full of their own self importance.It might be time to look in the mirror for some of them and to have a 'heart to heart ' with the person they see peering back at them!

13-07-2022 12:23PM

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Do a Jack O'Connor on it.

Come back from Leinster to deliver glory* to his native land.

*Well hopefully in Jack's case

Green&Red · 13-07-2022 02:27PM

@ethical

The only people the 'new' condensed season supports are the players that get knocked out of the All Ireland series early, they can go to the USA and play in the American Championship and then return to play in their own Club Championship come August.

The condensed championship is designed to help the club players have some form of a life where they now can plan their summer without having to train for a championship without knowing the start date.

look at someone like Mick O'Dwyer who was the whole management team of the great Kerry performers back in the 70' and 80' yet today there are more back room people than there are players and then there is the Mayo set up

Apart from being wholly inaccurate you're also talking about mimicking something from 50 years ago, things move on, you've statisticians, physios, backs coaches, kick out people, if you're talking about going without those then its back to the dark ages, we wouldn't be long ending up in D4, you wouldn't get a junior team without a lot of these lads nowadays.

And on O'Dwyer he was selector in 1967 after his first retirement, he had selectors and trainers all through his tenure

backroom personnel etc who have made their lives and reared their families from the 'crumbs' garnered off the back of some great people.Its not right but these people see themselves as 'privileged' and will never go away,full of their own self importance.It might be time to look in the mirror for some of them and to have a 'heart to heart ' with the person they see peering back at them!

Not sure who you have in mind here but that f**king nonsense, anyone I've ever known involved in any Mayo setup has been there to do their best and certainly haven'r "reared" their family on the back of it

Pussyhands · 13-07-2022 02:43PM

Whoever the manager is needs to leave out O'Shea from the panel.

I really don't get what he offers nowadays.

He used to be great at evading a number of bodies hassling him when he got the ball from a long kick in the forward line.

I don't know what he offers nowadays. It's not like his height is any advantage in midfield for kickouts considering the tactics nowadays of players sprinting out wide. He can't shoot. Defensively he's too slow.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 13-07-2022 03:52PM

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Hes far from perfect and best days are well behind him, but I still feel like with better service he could have been far more effective at 14. Launching in high hanging balls against set defenses is pointless. If he got the kind of service Armagh gave in this year, he could still be handy

WJL · 13-07-2022 04:02PM

Are there any retirements coming? Would imagine Lee Keegan has another year in him.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 13-07-2022 04:04PM

Keegan all but confirmed on Saturday before the Galway game he was staying on.

Cant imagine Doherty staying on too long. Possibly Kevin Mc too?

Green&Red · 13-07-2022 04:14PM

I heard that Keegan staying on last year convinced McLoughlin to stay on, they're good buddies. A lot will depend on the new manager I'd imagine

Blackjack · 13-07-2022 04:48PM

Who from the available selection of players would you replace him with?

Blackjack · 13-07-2022 04:49PM

Some people just have a horn for Dropping Aido. Seems to be mostly Dubs, funnily enough.

Blackjack · 13-07-2022 04:52PM

Heard the same as that.

muddle84 · 13-07-2022 05:25PM

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He seems to have lost all the scoring abilities that he had back in 2015 and his earlier years though. I imagine its some sort of confidence issue but either way, I was always of the opinion that you front three have to be scoring threats!

I honestly think the defensive Midfield position suits him best now, his stand out performance this year was the Monaghan match.

happyoutscan · 13-07-2022 06:14PM

As mentioned above, if you drop Aidan, Coen and a couple others from the panel who do you replace them with? Surely they are good enough to be on the bench at least?

Regarding players walking away, Kevin Mc's missus had twins only a couple of months ago. If anything, I'd say that's enough to convince him to stay on as it may be the only way he'd be able to get away from the house!

Considering the stand loan repayments, I certainly can't see the board opting for an expensive out of county appointment.

Audioslaven · 13-07-2022 11:21PM

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You have a point and this is my issue with him as well. We can't put him in full forward as he can't score and our forwards around him don't feed off him. He is too slow on the ball and you need midfielders who are more attacking and do so at pace. His best days are behind him as he is 32/33 now. Others asking about Coen as well. He is too slow, lacks any attacking threat. His best game as with AOS was against Kerry but these are experienced players who need to deliver consistently and not on certain days. I watched AOS running up the pitch against Tyrone last year and he clearly had lost the pace. It was then I thought his days were over. I know I am identifying these two but we have loads of guys in the same bracket and got dropped for different games but how Coen in particular didn't get benched after the Kildare game is beyond me. This is why I say Horan went soft.

Audioslaven · 13-07-2022 11:32PM

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Keegan still offers alot and what a player over the years. He is just a model player with a brilliant attitude. I was listening to a podcast of him and 2017 defeat hurt the most for him. He just cared so much and I think he put so much into playing and trying to win for himself and all mayo people. He is just a fabulous guy... truly brilliant.

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