Mayo GAA Discussion

PressRun

I'd be shocked if Dempsey doesn't get it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more or less already a done deal. The county board won't pick anyone outside the county imo.

Whether that's a good appointment or not, I wouldn't be sure...

rn

A view from a roscommon man re mcstay - he is magnificent if you have the panel already assembled and just need the bit extra to get over the line. I seen him in action in Roscommon Gaels and St Brigids and on both occasions he got absolute max out of good to excellent teams. He's tactically astute, decisive and players generally like him.

He did a good job with roscommon IMHO, but hadn't full support after the "dream team" fell apart. And roscommon can't afford not to be 100% pulling in one direction. So roscommon views are mixed on him.

I honestly don't think mcguiness could do it for ye. What he did in donegal could only be done with his home county... Lads put so much into it.

Ye know yer selves where the team is at. IMHO that panel hasn't an all Ireland in them even if lads are early 30s and have been great servants. There's a job to keep some, turn others into panel players and impact subs and cut lose a few more. Ye should have excellent young lads from the last few years - now is their time.

Best of luck with the search.

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260736#Comment_119260736

it is, but i was correcting an argument that he is likely to leave because hes of the oldest 2 on the pitch.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260939#Comment_119260939

Rochford is close to the modern game and has a proven track record at that level.

Mcstay is a nice guy but has never been on the biggest stage,he's way too far removed from the modern game.

I know it's all about opinions and maybe I'm the one who's wrong but I don't see how Mcstay could be a better choice than Rochford by any known metric.

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260993#Comment_119260993

I've heard a few people say Horan was too loyal to certain players. Don't agree with that at all. If anything, he moved on from Higgins and Boyle a bit too soon.

There has been a massive turnover of players the last 3 seasons.

rn

Another view from outside; Mayo have a habit of going back to the well to replace managers and no success to show for it.

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261079#Comment_119261079

When I say that I mean he began to engage in this 'we are lucky to have this group of players in mayo' type stuff. It feeds into this superstar narrative that has caused issues in mayo in the last for me.

Kerry dont engage in it and gavins dublin were active against it too. For them, the players were the lucky ones at all times as they get to represent something bigger than all of them, not the other way around.

I know it is a small thing, but look at man utd under ferguson, who always talked up the club. When he left it became about individual stars and the performances became individualistic. That narrative around a squad is important.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260987#Comment_119260987

That's a fair post.

For me the gap between club and county has widened hughly in the last 10 years,this is magnified when we're talking about a project like Mayo.

I think anybody who hasn't been there before is going to struggle to adjust,its a real sink or swim scenario and even those that will swim will need time to adjust.We have a squad now that can win Sam,we don't have the luxury of a bedding in period of a couple of seasons.

For this reason I'd go with Andy or Rochie.I wouldn't be too worried about Morans closeness with the current team,he has shown he can be ruthless enough and is very driven,I don't think he'd be worried about stepping on a few toes if it meant the ultimate prize. Andy surely would be more of a risk or a punt but he knows the standards,can maintain them and his energy, enthusiasm and belief coupled with football brain could be the thing to gel it all together and give us that lift.

To be clear I mean no disrespect to Ray Dempsey by pointing out he is a clubman.

Green&Red

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261096#Comment_119261096

I've heard this a few times and it baffles me

We've gone back to three managers. Mayo 2004 are probably the worst team to contest an All Ireland since the 80s, that was Maughan's second term.

O'Mahoney was a wash out

Horan has brought a national league, two finals, a semi and a quarter with a team that was supposedly in complete transition, we lost Seamie, Vaughan, Higgins, Boyler, Parsons, Clarke, Caff, Barrett and Andy from that team.

Green&Red

On Andy, he had a shot at managing Ballagh before Leitrim and it didn't amount to much. He has no CV and is too close to these lads IMO.

I'd be very surprised if Dempsey was a done deal, hes not exactly a company man.

Dempseys minor team were excellent, it was the year O'Shea and Walsh were on it, if we had held onto the ball at one end we had it won, instead we took a silly shot that dropped short and they got an equaliser. The replay was in Longford and went to extra time, Hennelly dropped one straight to Conor O'Neill. Kyle Coney was Tyrones star man. Having said all that its 14 years ago!

I think Andy Moran would be a good choice but only if he has a very strong management team around him, he certainly has the character to lift and motivate a team whatever about the other skills required.

Or perhaps it is time, in this day and age for Mayo to be the most pioneering team in the country, embrace diversity, and appoint the first female manager to an intercounty side. How about Joanne Cantwell pacing the sideline?

Hulk Hands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260947#Comment_119260947

How was McGuinness not able to follow up on 2012? In 2014 they hammered the greatest team of all time, something no other county could even get close to doing. They lost a tense final after their keeper kicked the ball straight to Donaghy for a late goal

His 4 year stint (plus the one u21 year) was one of the most impressive stints ever by a manager. 2010 brings an u21 team to an All Ireland final where they miss a last gasp penalty to win it. 2011 brings a lowly D2 team, known previously as a "crowd of wasters" to an Ulster. 2012 All Ireland. 2013 had a down year. 2014 mentioned above and quits afterwards, with the county not making a semi final since.

I don't like his character tbh, find him slightly arrogant but his achievements get completely overshadowed by the "death of football" stuff that its remembered for and that was happening well before he arrived. It's possible his methods are outdated but then again he's adapted his style quickly already once, and was agile at the time and still isn't that old. He'd be incredibly worth a roll of the dice for ye imo. Now there is also a Donegal job up for grabs and he may not want to return at all. Worth finding out though

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261501#Comment_119261501

something no other county could even get close to doing

Really, something no other county could even get close to doing ?

Except Mayo who beat them twice and drew with them twice and Kerry who drew with them once.

In your book beating them and drawing with them is not even close.

I know you're from Galway and a WUM and you are doing a fine job of it.

rn

There was Pat Holmes as well. It's rare other counties even go back to consider a manager, but mayo certainly have a habit of it.

Hulk Hands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261608#Comment_119261608

A wum for espousing the virtues of Jim McGuinness, a man from west Donegal. Grand

I used the words hammering. Even if you include the 2012 and 2021 versions of Dublin in that greatest team of all time argument (which almost noone does btw), those games were 3 point wins and a last gasp normal time save and ET win. I don't think its the same personally but anyway well done for picking on one tiny comment and ignoring all the actual stuff relevant to the discussion. You must be a bit tetchy this week, understandable

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261680#Comment_119261680

I'd keep that man as far away from Mayo football as would be humanly possible, and increase the distance further again if I could. He caused immeasurable and irreparable damage to Mayo GAA and his most recent appointment was a sham and a disaster from start to finish.

Green&Red

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261680#Comment_119261680

Based on results his second term was a success also, but for poor refereeing we'd have won the 2015 final when Small picked it off the ground

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261253#Comment_119261253

The talk is that the gap between club and county has widened, and that's where I would have started off thinking. But successful club teams these days are extremely "professional" in their set-up. I wonder is it just us thinking that the gap has widened rather than it being any bigger than before.

Intercounty is a completely different ball game to what it was but it doesn't fall down on one man like it used to. A lot of it is about assembling the right management team / coaches / backroom staff to assist the manager.

My gut would be that Andy would be great to have involved in the management team, but that the main job would be too big of a step at this point in time.

I often wonder about Ciaran Mc's influence this year as well. He seemed to have a bit of a diminished role Vs last year but that might be reading into the supposed falling out... and our forward play was always going to suffer without Tommy and Ryan. But I wouldnt mind seeing him involved again.

Rochford, Andy, Ciaran Mc would look good on paper. Rochford strikes me as a manager who would let them grow into their own roles.

I maybe wrong but I would see Dempsey wanting his own team and being less open to that kind of thing.

I said I didn't fancy Rochford a few hours ago.... Ah, I give up. I'm rambling on.

I guess we'll only know if a good choice is made a year or so after the appointment is made. Whoever it is, I hope it works out.

MacDanger

Like Parlance says, the appointment will (or at least should be) as much about the team a candidate assembles as the lead candidate themselves. Most/All of the possible candidates have weaknesses which could possibly be covered by having a good backroom team.

boosabum

That was 16 and think it was bastic that picked it off the ground

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261736#Comment_119261736

No one doubts what McGuiness did in 2012.

It will go down as one of the greatest achievements in GAA history.

But he has not done anything since in GAA since he left Donegal and his ventures into other sports have not worked out for him.

You can't isolate the beating of Dublin in 2014 as something to behold and ignore the hammering by Mayo in 2013.

Green&Red

A lot of it is about assembling the right management team / coaches / backroom staff to assist the manager.

I maybe wrong but I would see Dempsey wanting his own team and being less open to that kind of thing.

In fairness to Dempsey he has brought in a great team in Knockmore that have definitely helped us. None of these have been foisted on him but I'd imagine he has seen the benefits of having a wider team and not needing to control every little detail yourself

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261858#Comment_119261858

his most recent appointment was a sham and a disaster from start to finish.

Except the bit where they drew with Dublin in their prime.

I'm not advocating for him, just stating that 2015 was not too bad.

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119262069#Comment_119262069

"Except the bit where they drew with Dublin in their prime."

I disagree. I'd put the draw down to the players ignoring the brain dead tactics that were being employed when we were 7 down in the drawn game. That was a game that we should have won the first day out, plain and simple. The tactics in the replay were another shambles, playing Vaughan injured and waiting until his man had scored 3 points off him before calling him ashore, for example. That and leaving the midfield desperately short of cover due to poor squad selections. Why did we have only 3 midfielders in the panel?. I'm still none the wiser as to why Jason Gibbons was left out of the squad after the league that year. Then there were his backroom appointments which were literally just political. I could go on but safe to say he should never be allowed to manage a team at any level again.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119262067#Comment_119262067

I didn't mean it to sound like Dempsey wouldn't want to build a team around him. The way he brought guys in for Knockmore was very impressive from the outside looking in. I wouldn't doubt his ability to build a great team around him at all.

I meant it in the sense that I think he would want that team to be his team... as opposed to the likes of Rochford, who might be more open to working with possible suggestions like Andy... If you get me.

Wasn't a slight on any of them. They just seem different types of leaders.

MacDanger

I think any manager coming in has to be given free reign to pick his own team, you can't have a scenario where the CB are match-making between two possible candidates who may not have any pre-existing relationship

MayoAreMagic

An interesting one for me would be jason sherlock.

MacDanger

Any chance Donie Buckley would be interested in being the boss rather than an assistant?

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119262915#Comment_119262915

I'd say if he has aspirations in that direction, he'll hold out for Dessie to go

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119262915#Comment_119262915

Not worth the risk... Could you imagine the songs if he got us to a final.