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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    its actually a process of stop enacting polices that are doing great harm, and enacting others that will directly help, for example stop defaulting to pushing more money into our economy, that are simply pushing up property prices....

    its was clearly obvious what was unfolding at the beginning of the year, covid supports such as pup and ewss should have never been removed, they were keeping the economy afloat, now its starting to slowly collapse, i.e. reenact these polices, and quickly.....

    stop talking about crediting electricity accounts, and start fcuking doing it, right now, and keep doing it, until our global status settles, we can all see whats going to occur in the coming months, as energy demands increase....

    again, stop talking about providing 'bonuses' to covid workers, and just fcuking give them what they simply deserve, right now! they need it, right now!

    stop defaulting to the normal thought process, of trying to deal with our future energy needs, i.e. fossil fuels, this is why we re experiencing what we re experiencing, i.e. a rapid rise in our energy costs, and subsequent inflation, we have potential alternatives, i.e. off shore wind etc, i.e. just fcuking do it, right now!

    i could go on and on and on.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    That old chestnut only opposition opposing developments when you know full well Councillors of all persuasion and government departments actually objecting to certain developments.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There are numerous ways they can be mitigated. That's what Pippa was being told when she pulled the Putin rant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Now your being Ludicrous, we're have I once showed even the slightest inkling of support for that Thug Putin , my views on Government policies regarding Ukrainian refugees is no secret as is my disgust on how other refugees are being treated and indeed our own citizens in emergency accommodation.

    You ludicrously tried to drag the €2k dinner into the thread dealing with this matter, this is my last word on that crisis here , there's a Thread dedicated to it and NO, I do not apportion any blame on Ukrainian refugees, the mess here is entirely of this government's doing.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 445 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are they planning on bringing this in just through statutory instrument and not a proper bill? Very interested to see how they word this and make the platforms liable. Feel sorry for those who have booked airbnbs that don't have planning permission, I would not want to be searching for a hotel for a large group at short notice

    Wonder how airbnb will enforce this, surely you would need every registered property to provide proof that it is a principal residence and/or has the requisite planning permission before 1st september, it seems like a fairly big task https://www.thejournal.ie/housing-crisis-short-term-lets-controls-5813533-Jul2022/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I found this article interesting.

    Cabinet agrees stricter controls on short-term lets (rte.ie)

    Cabinet agrees stricter controls on online platforms advertising short-term lets.

    The Government has approved moves to strengthen regulatory controls on the short-term letting of property.

    These controls will apply to non-principal private residences in rent pressure zones and are due to come into effect in September.

    The amendment, if enacted, will mean that from 1 September online platforms will not be able to advertise properties in rent pressure zones which do not have the required planning permission.

    Currently, a person must apply to their local authority for planning permission to change the use of a property so that it can be used for short-term letting.

    The CEO of housing advice organisation Threshold said that the change to short-term lettings is welcome but similar legislation already in place did not work.

    --------------------

    So the legislation to force property owners to get planning permission for short term lets was already in place but the landlords ignored it. Now the government are pushing the responsibility to the online platforms. Why couldn't the government ensure the original legislation was enforced?? The mind boggles. Its the same as the vacant site tax - the councils didn't collect it...The solutions to the housing disaster is just talk.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The house crisis was going on long before Covid and the Ukraine war happened. It is not getting any better and don't forget the shenanigans in ABP with Coveney's best friend and others. So tell us how FG since 2011 have tried to fix it? If FFG are trying to fix it and we can see progress we would not be criticising the FFG housing policy.

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  • Posts: 445 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The fine is so miniscule that its worth the landlords time to ignore it. If the council can be bothered to enforce it, the procedure is warning letter which you have 4 weeks to reply to and then if the council have 12 weeks to determine that you are breaking the rules, the max fine is 5 grand.

    The councils were all given extra money to hire people to enforce the short term letting regs and they still won't enforce them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Gotcha. So it was another FFG housing failure. Tiny fine and zero enforcement. Landlords happy though.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I said that they are not "trying to make things worse". But to be perfectly honest, is it actually possible to get worse? I mean it probably is, and left to their own devices FFG would likely prove that, but let's not put it to the test.

    It is perfectly acceptable for the opposition to have decided that they have had enough of the special deals being struck and the higher prices being passed on to the government for the social housing. For example (at random), the U.S. company Glenveagh buying up land for €11m (worth a lot more) and then building some social homes and not returning the favour, by charging high/premium prices for those.

    As mentioned, the current government have had plenty of time to fix the housing crisis, and have done nothing, They are far more interested in striking deals with foreign investors, and for some reason unbeknownst to us yet, there is nothing stopping foreign consortiums swooping in and buying up the lot when they feel like it. That is fixing nothing. I won't look up each case objected to, as they will have each been objected for their own reasons, but if things are getting too difficult for any of the parties in government, they know what to do.

    BTW, opposing wasteful spending or undervaluing land being sold off, isn't making things worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes, have you ever noticed that the methods and metrics we use to measure the wellness of our economy, rarely represent whats actually happening in our reality for a large proportion of citizens and businesses?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You seem obsessed about using the term 'virtue signalling', but ask the 35,000 Ukrainians living here if the government is engaging in virtue signalling? I guess they would prefer to be fodder for Putin's Army.


    We know your record on this topic, regarding immigrants and refugees. Gaslight and Dog Whistle away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Is it a lie to say you objected to Ireland investing in its airforce?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well, Francie ignored the question of course, which means he as no solution other than shouting and roaring about 'da Guberment'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    OK, so the solution to curb inflation is to keep spending more money and pump up the economy further?

    Economics ain't your strong suit is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well, Ireland features at number 2, or is that number 3 in the world under the UN HDI. That measures wellness in a way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Go read what I said and you'll see you misrepresented it.

    The point was your faux pas, 'objecting to criticism of the government for doing something while simultaneously accepting that they did it because you thought you could have a go.

    You just can't help it. ROFL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There are many suggestions from across the house on how the government can mitigate the crisis facing some in this country. You can deny that all you wish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    OK, thanks for agreeing with me, that you objected to us investing into the Irish Air Force/Corp. In fact you laughed at the idea of it.

    Therefore, you are 100% against investment into Irish Defence. Yet here you are, giving it a go for the sake of it.


    Anyway, care to answer my other question about specific measures the government can do to curb inflation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No Mark, I didn't think we needed to invest to a NATO level airforce. That isn't required as we do not face a credible threat from the air from anybody. Maybe we do in the mind of fantascists.

    I do agree with investment to monitor the skys to protect civilian aircraft from the geopolitical gameplaying that happens up there and to secure our coasts from criminal activity.


    *I note the subtle(not) attempt to change what was said about inflation to 'curbing it'.

    Future misrepresentation incoming no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Michael must take the electorate for fools?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Well, Lowry has just been looked after and Cathal Berry is next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bizarre.

    I wasn't offering solutions mark, I was commenting on Pippa Hacket's deflectionary Putin shite when the debate was about solutions the government could look at. If I come up with a solution/mitigation that hasn't been spoken about across the house, I will post it here. Meanwhile, look at the solutions/mitagations already out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Ahh the old, complain about short terms rentals and then complain when the government do something in the pressure zones. Spin us a new one, constant complaining about everything isn’t really a debate.

    Im sure if another party made the suggestion you would be shouting from the roof tops what an excellent idea it is so at this stage the moaning is falling on 🧏‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Didnt you call people “plebs” recently and then you post this 🤦‍♂️

    Its is clear that if the government fix or make better the housing crisis it is worse for the opposition. I guess you understand this?

    So yes they are making it worse, it’s is pointed out numerous times all the planning that they have blocked and continue every day. If they can’t block they will delay.

    Supply fixes the problem. Blocking houses increases the problem. This is basic.

    Even the government asked the opposition to stop the bulls**t as it’s a crisis for the people, they ignored it and went on doing the exact same.

    PS before you run to the mods I ain’t calling you a “plebs”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,417 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yawn, the blocking houses myth has been comprehensively fact checked and was found to be misleading, yet you persist.



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