Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Exactly, but I think the damage will be done before anyone will have a democratic say . The EU is fûcked btw it won’t exist in 50-60 years.

Europe in general has been in self destruct mode for the past two decades. Whether it be a whole range of policy failures (some intermingled) on energy, food security, uncontrolled migration- take your pick!

I gather he was here already - an economic migrant presumably so once his visa is in order can stay here. It’s the newly arrived chancers (thousands of them) that have arrived since February I have a big problem with

Obviously there will be men that will escape Ukraine and fail their duty to defend the motherland. But that's up to Ukraine to deal with their cowardice.

They are people who are genuinely fleeing war though. Unlike there rests of the economic migrants. And a far higher amount of women and children, than any other group trying to obtain asylum in Ireland.

Ukrainians are the least of our issues and should be welcomed.

The payouts under temporary protection in Germany differ depending on the applicant's category. Social Welfare (FamilienKasse) pays €330 a month (with free accommodation), Jobcentre (for job seekers) pays €449 monthly. Child benefit in Germany is €219 per child. The social payments stop completely when earnings reach €14400 p.a (gross).

This fictional family of one adult and 2 children in Germany will receive €330 + €219 child benefit x 2 = €768 monthly.

Sweden: 1488 SEK + 625SEK x 2 (child benefit) = €255.92 monthly

France: (€6,80 + €3.40 x 2) = €13.60 daily x 30 = €408 monthly

Ireland: (€208 + €40 additional payment for a child x 2) x 52/ 12 + €140 x 2 (child benefit) = €1,528 monthly.

The trouble is you would be hard pressed to find a Td at this moment and time to echo your sentiments, but watch a few of them put their heads above the parapets in the coming months, when they gauge what way the wind is blowing over the summer break

Excellent breakdown, I'm beginning to see why "Some" countries weren't to troubled financially about adhering to the EU directive and one (Ireland) didn't do their Sums....

Ireland: (€208 + €40 additional payment for a child x 2) x 52/ 12 + €140 x 2 (child benefit) = €1,528 monthly

+ in most cases, Free accommodation

+ in most cases, Free Food

+ in many cases, Free Transportation

+ I presume back to school allowances

+ freely open bank accounts

+ circumvent normal rules with regards to car insurance.

But even all of the above aside and I've no issue with "Reasonable" level of support, if normal SW rules as is an obligation of the EU directive, Ukrainian refugees would be on SWA and get Shelter, perhaps be entitled to a discretionary MC but would certainly not be getting all the "Add On's" and would not only be under constant review by DSP but infact be penalised by DSP if they we're essentially, getting additional monetary supports.

Essentially there is one Rule for Ukrainian refugees and lots of Rules for everyone else, especially Non Ukrainian refugees.

I also remind those in any doubts, the EU directive does not mention or indeed encourage, the waiving of any rules applicable to a member state adhering to the directive with regard to opening bank accounts, obtaining car insurance or dare I say ability to drive on public roads, amongst other things the Irish Government are either encouraging or turning a convenient blind eye towards normal rules applicable to Irish citizens or legally resident non nationals.

I reiterate, this is Not Ukrainian refugees fault, it entirely the Irish Government to blame , they are So blinded and consumed by virtue signalling, they've lost all sense of reality whilst the rest of the country suffers, its simply extraordinary.

Every soldier in combat is paid to 'defend'. Death in service is part of the gig. How many soldiers left family behind in any other wars. Its normal and since we will never have peace in this world it will continue.

Maybe the men are anti Nazi/Bandera and don't want to die for zelinski and his ilk.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/refugee-and-migrant-health

And chances are, the majority of them haven't and won't, seeing as their vaccine uptake last year in their own country was pathetic.

According to the latest CSO figures, 92% of our citizens here are fully vaccinated.

vs

35.7% for the Ukrainian people. That’s the lowest rate of vaccination in Europe.

Yet here we’re are, deadly pandemic, arms open. According to the articles I’m reading it’s NOT vaccine availability, it’s simply vaccine hesitation / vaccine disinterest. Many don’t want it, don’t like it and are refusing it.

they arrive here without proof of vaccine they should be offered it. If they refuse without tangible medical reason, deport / return them to their homeland via a period in detention here.. until suitable travel can be arranged..

Thought it was nice of Russia to hold off on their invasion until Ireland and most of the eu dropped their covid restrictions

I found this video on the news, I hope you could translate it. Quite interesting to see what s going in Europe, Czech Republic and Bulgaria

https://youtu.be/FSxRmZYlsb8

My opinion may not be popular in this thread, but I also think that helping displaced people from Ukraine is our collective humanitarian responsibility. There are genuine traumatised people who lost everything, and we can and should help them. However, there are also less affected people, and it is difficult to differentiate between highly and less affected.

I don't see Ireland introducing an annual refugee admissions cap, this is unlikely to happen this year. None of the countries in Europe are introducing it and Ireland will follow the general trend.

I do think that Ireland should reduce the rate of financial support ASAP, to make it in line with other European countries, for example, Germany. At the current rate, it sends a wrong message to certain groups of people who can exploit Ireland's generous welfare system.

Bringing it down would allow us to help more people and would naturally make Ireland a less attractive destination.