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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • #1262
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297065#Comment_119297065

    It's why threads such as this exist; to pushback against that kind of senseless tripe that labels everyone with an -ism or -phobia.

    People are getting sick of being labelled for the crime of holding a perfectly decent and respectable opinion.

    The fact that "Christian fascism" has now been introduced could not be a better example of the kind of mindless hysteria that tends to get casually thrown around.



  • #1263
    Fandymo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    I see the whole “open borders” thing isn’t working out very well for Kinnegad. Who could have predicted this??

    Meanwhile the lefties call them racists for complaining about verbal and physical sexual assaults on 14 year olds



  • #1264
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297379#Comment_119297379

    Ireland does not operate an open borders policy. That is a simple fact.



  • #1265
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297412#Comment_119297412

    We have an open door to southern and eastern Europe as member states of the European Union.

    That is an open border, at least in respect of the EU population of half a billion people.



  • #1266
    [Deleted User]
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    Unless you are from the EU the immigration policy requires you been a high skilled worker with a sponsor employer. That is about as far away from open borders as it gets.

    Saying open borders is short hand for I hate migrants and is not fact based at all.



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  • #1267
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297379#Comment_119297379

    Seen it all before. Fake news claiming sexual assault that turns out completely untrue. Usual fascist scum playbook.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1268
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,190 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297540#Comment_119297540

    I've seen threads started where the OP's can barely conceal their glee at such incidents because they can get on their racist soapboxes.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1269
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297565#Comment_119297565

    Indeed and then we also have seen the firebombs in Rooskey, Moville and Martin Kenny TDs car.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1270
    DaithiMa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297599#Comment_119297599

    And let's not forget Aisling Murphy and those poor men in Sligo.



  • #1271
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297664#Comment_119297664

    Oh I know yeah. Far right tried to weaponise them to promote their own racism and hatred.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #1272
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297700#Comment_119297700

    i see you’ve the ironing done .. one thing I know is a sizeable contingent of the self destructive embittered dwellers are “heavily engaged” in pushing a lot of buttons to roll in the big guns and bioweapons to fight actual battles they could never have done. Once we go down this route none of this is going to end; let alone well.



  • #1273
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Is it the refugee men creeping on children at playgrounds, causing trouble for business owners that are the problem?

    No, it's the ones who have a problem with that, that are the problem.

    = left logic



  • #1274
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297700#Comment_119297700

    lol.

    Your guys tried to turn those that poor girls tragic death into a two week media-backed campaign about how bad ALL men were and that ALL men were responsible and had to do more.



  • #1275
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,190 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297848#Comment_119297848

    No, they didn't.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1276
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297700#Comment_119297700

    Ah yes. The Far-Right that on such a massive level in this country that they cannot get 1% of the vote. But they are “On the march” it seems.

    And yes @ancapailldorcha

    First it was - We need to talk to our friends, brothers, uncles, fathers, male cousins.

    Then, like clockwork, when the truth came out it reverted to the age old mantra of - Don’t let the Racists Divide Us!

    Don’t you Progressives ever get tired of being wrong all the time?



  • #1277
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297936#Comment_119297936

    Electoral support of lack thereof is irrelevant. They still tried to hijack 3 deaths to promote their own extremist hatred.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1278
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297978#Comment_119297978

    And Progressives hijacked the death of Aisling Murphy to promote their own “Irish men = Uncontrollably Abusive Assholes” hatred.



  • #1279
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    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ahh yes the mythical far right movement in Ireland. The go-to threat to social stability, and the perfect scapegoat whenever leftist supporters need a boogieman.

    Years ago, while living in Germany, I was caught up in a march by thousands of people shouting slogans, carrying banners, most of whom were tattooed skinheads. Screaming their hate over a wide variety of issues.. since then, I've seen similar marches in a variety of countries, with the manner of the supporters is rather distinctive. Even saw a KKK/White supremist march in the US, with all the associated pageantry.

    Whereas Ireland? The far right consists of diehard Catholics wanting to bring make abortion illegal, ban gay marriage, and promote nationalism for Irish natives. Pretty tame stuff when you consider their tiny marches or protests..

    This is the problem with transplanting ideas from the US or other countries, and applying them here. There's no awareness of what's really going on, and no appreciation for scale. Ireland has no history of racial superiority, except in a limited way towards Travellers. There's no real history of racial strife, or race theory issues. And yet, we're supposed to believe there's some organised, far right wing movement with many followers, who are spouting hate, and are some kind of genuine threat.

    It's ridiculous. There is a lot of merit to being wary of far right groups in the UK, Germany or the US.. but Ireland? Come on. Get a grip.



  • #1280
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,190 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297936#Comment_119297936

    Prove it. Where did it say all men were responsible as was claimed?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1281
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298128#Comment_119298128


    https://universitytimes.ie/2022/01/ashling-murphys-murder-is-a-chilling-reminder-of-irelands-deep-seated-misogyny/

    "It is every man’s responsibility to step in or speak up when a woman may be in danger"

    That, a **** tonne of similar opinion pieces, radio segments, television segments and the countless tweets from celebrities and regular "progressive" tits all with the same rhetoric.

    I find it hard to believe you can't recall them.

    But then of course we have anna (who promoted blatantly fake news to further her LGBT victimhood agenda) who likes to ironically claim that it was only the far right distastefully pushing their agenda in the wake of that poor girls death.



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  • #1282
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298061#Comment_119298061

    Years ago, while living in Germany, I was caught up in a march by thousands of people shouting slogans, carrying banners, most of whom were tattooed skinheads

    When you wander into an Neo-Nazi rally by accident. Hate when that happens.



  • #1283
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298282#Comment_119298282

    Where did I say it did? Anna said that it was the far right who hijacked the tragedy. I said to Anna that "you guys" and media went on a frenzy claiming it is men's responsibility and they need to do better.

    I gave you an example.

    The articles and media coverage along the lines of the article I provided were plentiful and you know this.



  • #1284
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298282#Comment_119298282

    Tediously predictable that it's ok to demonise men when they're not white but when they're white we get this wailing white victimhood nonsense.

    Nice edit. Where in his post did he refer to white men? He didn't. You're the one seeking to introduce the race angle.

    As usual, you're adding in statements so that you can discredit the poster, and dismiss their points, rather than directly engaging with them.



  • #1285
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298327#Comment_119298327

    A Progressive moving the goalposts to muddy the waters?

    Never.



  • #1286
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298327#Comment_119298327

    As usual, you're adding in statements so that you can discredit the poster, and dismiss their points, rather than directly engaging with them.

    This is literally the far-left process: discredit by association; ignore; request evidence then outright dismiss it; hurl insults; or throw around the racist, homophobic / transphobic, or fascist labels.

    The whole raison d'etre of the far-left is not to directly engage with arguments. All that matters is the mother ideology / hatred of others with whom they disagree. Because to actually engage with arguments against their position would be to expose their arguments to evidence and reason; two things that appear to trigger an anaphylactic reaction.

    That's why safe spaces exist. People of the same view huddle around one another, protected from "the Other". The problem with that childish mentality is that arguments are never exposed to differing opinion, and when they are, an irrational, disproportionate, and hysterical response is visited upon the person.

    And that leads to the kind of mundane, boringly predictable responses we've become accustomed to hearing from occupants of that political wing.



  • #1287
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,190 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298316#Comment_119298316

    As surely as night follows day, there go the goalposts.

    Your guys tried to turn those that poor girls tragic death into a two week media-backed campaign about how bad ALL men were and that ALL men were responsible and had to do more.

    Your "evidence" is a single opinion that doesn't even say this. It says "some men". You'll then go ranting about non-white men with no bother.

    Typical white male victimhood.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1288
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298282#Comment_119298282

    Well that's about as dishonest a post as you can get.

    I said ALL men. That includes men of every ethnicity. In your edit you implied I was "wailing about white victimhood".

    Disgusting behaviour, and typical of some posters on here who dishonestly portray any opinion that isn't aligned with them as racist.

    I think false accusations would normally be dealt with by moderators but considering your position within boards, you see nothing wrong in falsely insinuating that people are racist and therefore it's not actionable.

    I would expect an apology from most decent people.



  • #1289
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298425#Comment_119298425

    Thats double downing. Brazen if not a little foolish.

    The quote I gave you from the article says:

    "It is every man’s responsibility to step in or speak up when a woman may be in danger"

    EVERY man. Nothing to do with white men.

    You for an example of where it said it. I gave it to you within seconds of reading your request.

    You are well aware that there were multiple threads, multiple news reports, multiple radio segments, multiple tweets, multiple television segments which parroted that narrative in the days after the womans tragic death death.

    I can see why you have an issue with "both siding" now. You cannot accept criticism of anything that paints the far left as bad as the far right. But of course, you claim to not have a side.

    Laughable.

    I haven't ranted about non-white men in any way.

    Is it that I have an issue with illegal immigration? Is that what you think is racist? Or white victimhood?

    Or are you dishonestly and maliciously painting me as a racist in order to somehow discredit my posts?

    I think we all know the answer.

    Race-baiting, dishonest post.



  • #1290
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,190 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298439#Comment_119298439

    I see you're onto telling lies now. Let's leave it there. Even the basest modicum of honest is just too much to ask.

    Last word's yours if you want it. I've no further interest in your drivel.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #1291
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298596#Comment_119298596

    I'll take the last word thanks.

    You have the audacity to call me a liar, when nothing I have said in that post was a lie. - A lie

    Accused me of moving goalposts even though my point remained consistent - A lie

    You falsely portrayed me as "wailing about white victimhood" - A lie

    You said I am ok with non-white people being abused - A lie

    You said the article I provided didn't mention all men - A lie

    You say I rant about non-white men - A lie.

    You are some man (if I can call you that) for asking for proof of obvious facts, but have no issue with doling out the lies and then scurrying away, attempting to portray yourself as above having a conversation with me.

    The last few of your posts are some of the most dishonest I have seen from you (and that is saying something) yet you decry MY lack of honesty?

    That's some next level projection.



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