The Pushback against Leftism

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292330#Comment_119292330

And yet they're happy to defend conservatives to the hilt when they do it. Almost as if they don't give a crap about children.

bb1234567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119291390#Comment_119291390

WOWWW. This really goes to show you were completely right on all counts and 'proves' all of your theories about gender bending freaks to be correct. If I posted some of the thousand stories of straight men in positions of authority such as sports coaches, teachers who took advantage of that to target children, would this also prove that all straight men who are interested in those professional positions are doing so get access to children ? And if not, is that because there isn't a political will being promoted by the media to frame this demographic as paedophiles?

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292426#Comment_119292426

Struck a nerve have I? lol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292445#Comment_119292445

I doubt it, you just posted something that was particularly stupid on an internet forum...that's all.

bb1234567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292445#Comment_119292445

Actually, you have. Because it just goes to show how little thought is behind any of the opinions like yours but it does amount to a big bandwagon of hate that I'm sure is not nice to be on the receiving end of.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292528#Comment_119292528

You seem confused. No opinion was given. I produced an incident in response to a person who said such an incident didn't exist. The exposure of that drag artist being a pedo has you and others all bent out of shape. The children in his company is the least of your concern.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292528#Comment_119292528

big bandwagon of hate

How so? Where's the hate displayed on the thread? Criticism and concern does not mean hatred. Having opinions that oppose your own is not an indication of hate.

If you truly were interested in promoting this cause, you would refrain from such statements, and instead seek to engage in logical/reasonable discussion to alleviate the concerns that others have.

This is really the problem when it comes to discussing these kinds of topics. The urge by posters to jump to extremes, and traps to cause emotional responses.

bb1234567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292581#Comment_119292581

No , it doesn't have me bent out of shape. What has me bent out of shape is that this one random drag queen is being used to frame tens of millions of gay people as paedophiles, presumably your intention is to convince people that this article means everybody should be on guard whenever a gay person is in the company of a child. And you do not care about the children, otherwise you'd be focusing on issues where paedophilia actually commonly occurs such as over 70% of child abuse cases being committed a parent or guardian or family friend. What you care about is trying to associate paedophilia with homosexuality in any way you can. I'm interested to know what percent of child abuse you think is caused by instances such as this drag queen though, is it such a prevalent issue in your opinion that you post about it all day above other causes of child abuse?

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292369#Comment_119292369

What actually was the book?

My take on these things has always been that the degrees are important — that you can teach a child about “grown up” ideas but there are degrees of that which can swing from largely benign to something more negative and potentially harmful. Take the old conservative Irish way of doing education and you’ll find the same degrees back then — the largely benign Christian teachings of ‘love thy neighbour’ and ‘do unto others what you would have them do unto you’ are basically grown up themes of social cohesion, altruism and morality. But that could swing into the more exclusionary teachings we got at school where ‘love thy neighbour’ rested on the invisibility of those neighbours who didn’t conform in terms of their sexual identity. So ‘love thy neighbour’ was an incomplete teaching because it rested on a kind of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell to those who were different.

Diversity and inclusion education for children doesn’t strike me as being far removed from a simple ‘love thy neighbour’ teaching which simply takes it one step further and actually makes those neighbours visible in a way that my own education didn’t. Yes, that can swing to something more negative where more extreme / eccentric things are being taught and that should be checked where it exists. But as a basic principle, I think diversity and inclusion education for children is largely benign.

bb1234567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292604#Comment_119292604

That's a totally fair point.

But what I take issue with is that it's directed at me, and not for example BruteStock. He jumped to extremes, and engaged in many of those discussion tactics you just talked about. If you looked through his post hisotry, do you think he will have ever posted about child abuse related issues? And following on from that, does not that raise a red flag for you seeing as the vast majority of children do not suffer abuse by a stranger in this manner, yet going by this thread it you'd be forgiven for thinking it was how most children end up coming into contact with an abuser. Do you think that that is an effective way of keeping children safe? It will have the opposite effect

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292581#Comment_119292581

Not bent out of shape at all, using an exception to prove a point can allow you to prove any wild proposition you like. It's just plain stupid debating technique, first order poor argument. This why a body of evidence is the only useful evidence. When you can demonstrate that trans people show pedo tendancies at a statistically higher rate than heterosexuals you have started a useful and informative debate

Until then your pissing into the wind.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292581#Comment_119292581

Except nobody said that such an incident didn't exist. I think I can say with confidence that you could name any profession under the sun and I could find a similar story about someone in that profession, but it would be ridiculous of me to then imply that this was evidence of people of that profession being more "attracted to situations with children" than people not of that profession.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292722#Comment_119292722

That's missing the wider point.

We've seen numerous videos in this thread of drag queens wearing sexually provocative attire at events that involve children walking up and down the runway with said drag queen.

Do you find those videos as reprehensible as I do?

Moreover, we don't know the nature of the stories being told at the story time events. If it were just Cinderella or something like that, very few people would have an issue. If the stories are about promoting gender identity ideology etc., that's a very different matter altogether.

And evidence has already surfaced from some of these events that this is in fact what is being taught as part of the stories told to children.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293059#Comment_119293059

I don't think I have missed anything, I'm addressing a very specific point, which has nothing to do with anything you posted above. If you think that post of BruteStock's somehow proves anything or actually addressed the post he was replying to in a meaningful way- then say so. to. Otherwise, I have no idea why you responded to my post with the above.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292628#Comment_119292628

What actually was the book?

Scroll back (a couple of pages). Another poster provided links and a description of the book contents, including the intention behind instructing children using the book.

But as a basic principle, I think diversity and inclusion education for children is largely benign.

Oh, I agree... the intent is largely benign.. however, as I said many of the concepts involved have not been accepted within mainstream society by adults themselves... this seeks to bypass that acceptance, and influence the next generation... without establishing either the general acceptance or the consequences of that social change in society. It's simply far too early to be pushing this on children without having a better understanding of what is actually entailed.

You can't really teach children to accept non-binary without explaining what gender is, and how it can be changed (which hasn't been proven yet), which is going to be done based on the perspective of the instructor. That the instructor is someone in drag, a Trans or whatever, involves a natural bias in what is explained and how it is explained. Which is why such concepts should be kept until the mid teens, as they will likely have the some ability to question what comes from people in positions in authority, which is not the case with children (that have already received some schooling), who have been conditioned to accept what those in authority (adults) express.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292628#Comment_119292628

Peppa Pig.

People are having hissy fits over Peppa Pig being read to children.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293373#Comment_119293373

No. That wasnt a reference to Westport. It was some random copy and paste stuff. Not reading Peppa Pig in Westport.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292640#Comment_119292640

Oh, I agree that posters on all sides are jumping to extremes.

However, the earlier points were about introducing children to sexualised content, which would be the case with a lot of the concepts involved with being Trans, or Transvestites. It really depends on what is being taught to those children, and the manner in which it's done. I think a lot of posters are thinking of another thread which showed half-naked men promoting Trans issues to children, and other posters passing it off as pantomime, and so, innocent.

As for the poster themselves, I rarely go through posters history.. because there's little point. Many posters shift positions, or can be leftist/rightist depending on the topic in question.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293470#Comment_119293470

Whats the problem with reading Peppa Pig?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293501#Comment_119293501

Nothing.

Why do it in drag?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293578#Comment_119293578

What difference does it make?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293615#Comment_119293615

Modern drag artists are typically adult entertainment.

A pantomime dame is normally a caricature of women, portrayed by a man dressed as a lady in an exaggerated stereotypical way for comic effect.

What reason would a drag artist, in character, read peppa pig for children?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293643#Comment_119293643

And?

This is a drag queen reading for children. No big deal really.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293656#Comment_119293656

I'm questioning the logic in why a drag queen thinks it's appropriate to read to a child in drag.

Is it for comedic effect? Is it to somehow "normalise" being a drag queen?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293682#Comment_119293682

I have no idea. It doesnt bother me in the slightest what happened in the Westport bookshop. Its no big deal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293692#Comment_119293692

Grand. Then why are you still commenting?

I'm just asking what possible motivation someone would have to want to read to children while dressed in drag if not for comedic effect.

I wasn't asking you directly and already knew that you had no idea.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293719#Comment_119293719

It was Mayo Pride event.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293682#Comment_119293682

It didn't bother the parents or Garda who were present so the fact it bothers you and Eskimo so much is a bit silly. Pretty telling that the right wing extremist who was among those protesting is being ignored by you guys when they appear to be the actual public danger.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293719#Comment_119293719

I can comment if I want but thanks for the concern 😐

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293736#Comment_119293736

Oh right.

I'm still a little unsure as to why dressing in drag while reading to children has anything to do with pride though?