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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, I was watching. Fergal Keane investigated how eight men from the 'territorial defence' in Bucha were shot in cold blood wearing civilian clothes. Incredibly, one of them survived by faking death and Fergal interviewed him. The BBC also unearthed CCTV of the men being led to the scene of the execution.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, that was grim watching the parade knowing what was going to happen. Full on Nazi stuff.

    Bring on the meteor, give the coach roaches a chance. We've blown it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭denismc


    Iran has announced it is discounting the price of its oil to compete with Russia in the Chinese Market, Iran exports about 700,000 barrels of oil a day to China vs 1.5 million from Russia.

    It will be interesting to see if a price war develops on the back of this as the Arabs send oil to China as well.

    The cheap Russian oil may have to get cheaper.

    I notice oil is down about 8% today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    But maybe not so slowly....a quick disposal of Putin would do two things, One, leave the US free to devote its attention 100% on China and Taiwan, and second, a quick ( or at least, within a decent time frame) it would maybe make China have second thoughts on Taiwan?



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doubt it. By having nukes Russia is pretty much untouchable internally. Their system has been designed to lead to where it is. There's arguments about the absolute state of politics in the West but we're being steered in a negative direction by bad actors. For Russia it's a feature, not a bug.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,917 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ukraine should take out he gas pipes going to EU, Then say, '' no need to argue about that anymore''



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,923 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I don't think the Russian top dogs even imagined Ukraine holding out for more than a few days ... The invasion force was merely ceremonial , then they though just weight of numbers would get them over the line in Kiev .. there wasn't really a plan for what happens in the event of a long slog , or more to the point after a long vicious conflict ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,425 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,923 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Yup , it's going to take Germany ( and others ) a few years to pivot away from Russia , and it definitely seems as if some in their political class are still resisting the change , but once Russia started restricting gas to Germany a couple of weeks ago that was the signal that the relationship was irretrievably bust - implying,hinting generally painting out what COULD happen is one thing , but once Putin pulled the trigger and restricted the gas to Germany that's it , the line has been crossed , and in honesty though it'll hurt ,Germany is resourceful..

    ( Even if they were unbelievably naive in their energy policy )

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It seems they are also completely immersed in Russian nationalist / Putinist propaganda. Invading a large next door neighbour and causing mayhem and destruction seems the most natural thing in the world to them. They believe their own propaganda and lies about Ukraine being a Nazi terrorist state and the 'anti-Russia', to the point where waging war and killing tens of thousands of them is not even seen as controversial.

    It's been said numerous times here but it really is a basket case of a country - fit for the psychiatrist's couch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That and assumed only the very top was rampantly corrupt. Take these huge tank storage areas pick clean from the back leave the stuff in the front untouched. repeat that with everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,923 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I'd say they thought about it .. but would it have made much difference, ? What's Russia able to do/buy with their gas money now that they wouldn't be able to do if the pipes were "broken",

    And they'd have played into Russia's hand by effectively forcing Europe to take a side , with Ukraine being the blackmailer ,and noble Russia able to ride to the rescue ... So the 2 nordstream pipelines would have been flat out ( I assume that was part of the reason for the timing of the invasion)

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,923 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I don't believe their military is any where near as good as the Russians thought , but also it's not as terrible as a lot of western commentators are saying ,

    Their initial logistics were shocking - but most units only found out they weren't on excercise on the first day of the conflict , and yeah they live in a kleptocracy..

    But they've managed to get their best troops to the Donbass - and supply them with staggering amounts of artillery shells ,

    The tactics are crude and brutal - they take a lot of logistics ,but they have slowly taken ground , ( and used expendable Wagner group recruits and Donbass conscripts as Cannon fodder ) , shows the Russian military is not incapable of learning ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Just reading this. .. https://mate.substack.com/p/siding-with-ukraines-far-right-us

    Wonder what the experts here think and what they think of Obama's take from 2015

    But the president has signaled privately that despite all the pressure, he remains reluctant to send arms. In part, he has told aides and visitors that arming the Ukrainians would encourage the notion that they could actually defeat the far more powerful Russians, and so it would potentially draw a more forceful response from Moscow. 



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,007 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Isn't the point of deterrence to very much encourage the notion that they could defeat the opposition?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    great idea, lets just in typical American military style ignore how that has worked out in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam , Cuba , a latter day expansion of China etc etc

    Front of class of the American military academy for you , a gift for ignoring reality whilst sounding sophisticated.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Morning shift started?

    The more relevant example was when the US helped a collapsing Russia help defeat the Nazi’s.

    or, maybe that was a mistake too… possibly.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    "Perhaps floating nuclear power plants is a stupid idea "

    Ive been fairly patient with the sheer stupidiity of many on here, but theres a limit. This ranks up there with one of the dumbest things I have heard in 2022.

    you see this is a fine example of how sometimes the Western mind fed on a diet of whatever the media choose, has lost the ability for long term strategic thinking.

    Its a fine example of how often in desperation the Western mind (and many on this thread) loses all objective analysis ability and makes dumb statements simply because they cant face reality.

    Perhaps floating nuclear poor plants is a stupid idea..... we are in the midst of a global energy crisis of sorts , energy has become weaponised (hate the word but lets use it here) , and people here thinking the creation of small scale floating power stations that can be moved to remote regions at will is a dumb idea.

    Germany is about to cancel the shutting down of 3 nuclear stations, and Germany would like to re-start the 3 nuclear power stations it shut down last year but cant for legal reasons, and someone here thinks the ability to have a floating nuclear power station is a dumb idea.

    The IEA International Energy Agency has said that Nuclear is a key part of a green future , and some cretin here thinks Russia building nuclear power station floating platforms is a dumb idea.

    The Artic has trillions of minerals in its territory, it will be a terrain that all nations will fight for control of, and as ice melts is opening up to more activity, and Russia has built the worlds first floating nuclear power stations to benefit from this and to bring power to its remote regions and you have to deal with the sheer stupidiity of people here who think being able to bring power a nuclear power station to this region in a short space of time is a dumb idea.

    Plus the reactors can also act as de-salination plants, converting sea water to fresh water.. you probably think thats a dumb idea too.

    Dude Ive too many posters here that are due a response, I dont have time to respond to everyone, Im going to have to ignore you , your just not worthy of a response, come back in a few years after you have read a few books or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,923 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I suppose it could depend on threat perception,as the school bully , if you think you can beat me easliy ,anytime that you choose ,then you don't "need to"

    But if I suddenly start taking martial arts classes then there's an onus on the school bully to "teach me a lesson" before I get good enough to fight back ...

    Looks like Russia missed it's window for an easy slapdown...

    Any deterrent is prob at it's riskiest when it's not quite In place yet ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Do you have the schematics of both a modern washing machine, and Soyuz rockets, including chip designs, and software design to prove it isn’t?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Ahh lads we need to have some kind of test that people need to pass before posting on here. The thread is being filled with the dumbest statements of 2022, one is dumber than the other.

    This lad here things the war in Afghanistan didnt impact on people lives in any way whatsoever. Where to start with that one...

    I think he needs a holiday send him out to Dublin Airport , tell him to leave early because of the security checks. Some of you will see what I did there, but someone explain to him what I did, I doubt he got it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Thats wishful thinking to think Russia will be irrelevant.

    The ISS Russia-NASA partnership runs out in 2024 . A White House and a NASA spokesperson have stated (even after the war started, open to correction) , that they want to extend this relationship to 2030. Do you think the west will be able to walk away from the ISS , or manage it without Russian cooperation. Sure the West could adapt and mange the ISS by themselves from a technical viewpoint, but if they dont get Russian cooperation how can they do that.

    The west has been heavily reliant on Russia space tech, particulariy the Soyuz rocket for payload delivery, and the loss of Russian tech is putting a stop/halt/interrupt to some western space programs. .

    OneWeb is building a broadband constellation that will initially consist of 648 satellites. More than 420 of them have reached orbit to date, all on Russian-built Soyuz rockets operated by France-based company Arianespace. OneWeb missions have launched from Baikonur, Vostochny Cosmodrome in Russia's Far East 

    For example, Europe recently announced that its life-hunting Mars rover Rosalind Franklin will no longer launch atop a Russian Proton rocket and land on a Russian-built platform, as previously planned — moves that will likely push the rover's liftoff back six years, to 2028. Russia is no longer selling Russian-made rocket engines to American companies, and Soyuz rockets aren't flying out of Europe's Spaceport in French Guiana as they once did.

    You should pay more attention to whats happening in the space industry and less to what the media spin you .

    Of course the Russian space industry has been impacted, but I think its too early to claim its demise. A bit like it was too early to say their army was ajoke, or their economy would collapse. They are a resilient people, doesnt anyone pay attention to history anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " Suddenly its The EU is still buying Russia fuel and lads here are worried about if Russia can make a washing machine "

    I know its hard for dumb people to keep tabs on fast moving events.

    Nothing sudden about it, IVe been saying the EU is buying Russian fuel from the beginning. Some people who are in the same camp of ignorance as you think that makes me a putin bot.

    I didnt bring up the washing machine, some other poster hear brought them into the conversation I was replying to a poster who implied Russia was screwed as they could not get parts for washing machines.

    Try to keep up and pay attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " On China

    As for the alternative offered by China for the Russian economy, in reality it remains limited, especially for high-tech products. To date, the Chinese government, which is very dependent on its exports to developed countries, has not assisted Russia in circumventing Western sanctions. Chinese exports to Russia have fallen in line with those of Western countries.

    "

    Yep China is a honest broker in all of this and clearly has a long record of never doing any dodgy deals to sell stuff to a nation which the west has turned against.

    I guess people really do believe everything their leaders in the West tell them.

    I know Russia is full of propaganda, I know Ukraine is full of propaganda, and I know the EU and the West is also full of it.

    I guess most people here are too afraid to contemplate a world where they would have to face the reality their Western leaders feed them alot of bs propaganda to make them feel good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    You can talk all you want about US exploits if it has context to the discussion.

    The discussion we were having was how Russian tech industry is doomed without Western access, Im just pointing out they have managed in the past, will probably manage again in the future, illegal traders will ship them stuff, they already lead the west in some tech advancments, come to think of it the crypto market crash will lead to a glut of chips on the market do you really believe they wont get their hands on some of that, and yes they will be left short in many other tech areas. A resourceful people with alot of money , last time I checked thats how the world worked, people with money could get things legally or illegally, just the way it is.

    So Im not sure where pointing out the US is tech advanced comes into that discussion, but then thankfully Im not as dumb as you.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    equating gas prices, grain shortages etc with putting your liquids in a bag

    facepalm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Comical "we are winning the economic war " Ali is back - (yep finally got it right, maybe a bit of dyslexia or head trauma from rugby who knows, who cares)

    So Comical Ali Minister of information for Russia cant make washing machines , wants us to think Russia cant survive from a technical viewpoint.

    This is the same Russia that sells its Soyuz rockets to the West as well as delivered 420 satelites for Arianespace ONEWEB program. And the ESA will have to delay their launch to Mars because of loss of Russian tech.

    So Ive never denied Russia wont be impacted by Western tech sanctions , but to call its demise, well thats just stupidity. Same mistake was made when posters here said the army was useless (who holds Luhansk folks) , same stupidity that said the economy would collapse (another 500million euro today on its way from the EU) . Lives are at stake , billions of lives are being impacted and idiots here think some tweet shows their army is useless so dont worry, and another idiot and often the same ones thinks oh they cant get parts for washing machines so they are rightly fuked , and the same stupid idiots think their economy is fked even though the may liklely have a 200 billion surplus this year.

    History has shown them to be a resourceful people. Its also showing us how stupid the vast amount of posters here are.

    OneWeb is building a broadband constellation that will initially consist of 648 satellites. More than 420 of them have reached orbit to date, all on Russian-built Soyuz rockets operated by France-based company Arianespace. OneWeb missions have launched from Baikonur, Vostochny Cosmodrome in Russia's Far East 

    For example, Europe recently announced that its life-hunting Mars rover Rosalind Franklin will no longer launch atop a Russian Proton rocket and land on a Russian-built platform, as previously planned — moves that will likely push the rover's liftoff back six years, to 2028. Russia is no longer selling Russian-made rocket engines to American companies, and Soyuz rockets aren't flying out of Europe's Spaceport in French Guiana as they once did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    I knew his level of stupidity would not get it. My soft side had hoped maybe there was something going on between the ears. Im too nice sometimes.

    The man who claims the War in Afghanistan had no impact on peoples lives, doesnt understand how airport security, the travel industry has been changed irrevocably since and partly due to that war in Afghanistan .

    The war in Afghanistan changed our lives for ever, and impacts us everyday still, some small, some inconvenient, some big, some unseen, you just dont know it cos you may have been dropped on the head as a baby .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    This thread is absolutely infected with Russian supporting tripe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " Another popular one is that Russian oil is being transferred in the middle of the ocean to get around sanctions. Yep. "

    So two types of posters here, one is a glaringly stupid type, the only a mother could love em type with their a washing machine is more complex than a Soyuz rocket posts.

    The other is a more subtle style of stupidity. They make the longer posts hoping that by sheer volume of sophistry their ignorance will be masked.

    So yep BLOOMBERG REPORTS RUSSIAN OIL IS BEING TRANSFERRED AT SEA IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT .

    So you see folks, Comical Ali being a mod with 30k posts just means theres a high chance theres 30k plus of rubbish out there on this forum , all with a stamp of approval from the top. I love that your signoff says "If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are. " , at least you know where you sit in that equation .

    I know FACTS hurt both the brain and the heart strings, especially for people of poor intellect as they cant dis-associate emotions from actions ,

    the FACTS are Rusisan oil is bypassing sanctions as I have stated . Its been my expereince to best face FACTS and REALITIES , put aside thinking someone who states a fact is a Putin bot, and address the issue rather than thinking ignoring it will solve it.




    Russian Oil Disappears as Tankers Go Dark Near Azores

    • Unseen ship-to-ship transfers take place in mid-Atlantic
    • Some eastbound cargoes are also starting to vanish mid-voyage




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