Russia - threadbanned users in OP

05-07-2022 04:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294073#Comment_119294073

Numbers sound pretty fanciful but it looks like there's been serious action in the south recently. Ukraine don't want lots of reporting and Russia are keeping shtum which might be a good sign.

Podge_irl · 05-07-2022 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294097#Comment_119294097

Electronically speaking, almost certainly the washing machine.

ZenNature · 05-07-2022 04:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294113#Comment_119294113

The things is thats not the game we are playing, cos Im not claiming Western tech is useless, so no need to tell me about western space exploits etc.

Posters are claiming Russia will be lost without access to western tech , clearly Russia has survived before , will survive again and is far ahead of the west in many areas of tech this very day. So Im comfortable claiming Russia has all these tech achievements, and will figure out how to resolve the washing machine issue. Telling me the US put a man on the moon is meaningless in the context of whats being discussed . Besides China will probably happily step in to trade tech with Russia, no reason to believe they wont.

Im very aware of Silicon Valley, the question is are you aware of how much software developed in Russia that your communication to me has most likely passed thru, you probably have no idea of how much software developed in Russia but sold by Western companys , that you have interacted with today. In fact Id wager the device you are using has quite a bit of software/firmware that was developed in Russia for a household name Western tech vendor. That would blow your mind.

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 04:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294049#Comment_119294049

You still avoided the direct questions didn't you?

Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation who put the first man in in space and orbitted the earth cant make a washing machine.

Yuri's rocket ran on 1950's tech that didn't use integrated circuits. Rockets are actually quite "dumb" old school tech. Damned difficult to engineer and get right and they certainly got it right, but they don't require the chip that controls your keyboard. A SpaceX rocket does but that's way ahead of them. America landed men on the moon using a computer with about 40 kbs of working memory. The virtual button you swipe to open your phone uses more than that.

Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation with the only operational floating nuclear power station cant make a tumble dryer.

Where did the integrated circuits that control that "floating nuclear power station" come from, or are they using valves, transistors and 80's IT?

Chemical Ali is back wanting us to believe the nation which had the first hypersonic missile cant produce a word processor .

They can't and they haven't, instead they relied upon Western tech to take up the slack. Well they did give it a go in the 80's, but even then they were generations behind the Western stuff.

So again:

Can your Mother Russia design and produce the device you're typing this on without Western tech? Yes/No.

Can Mother Russia design and produce a current technology washing machine without Western tech? Yes/No.

Can Mother Russia design and produce a modern airliner without Western tech? Yes/No.

Can Mother Russia build and fly a current gen Soyuz without Western tech and without getting a third gen out of a museum? Yes/No.

Oh and who produces the vast majority of the pumps and other tech for Russia's gas and oil mapping, extraction and pumping?

nigeldaniel · 05-07-2022 05:00PM

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/07/05/ukraine-prosecutor-general-iryna-venediktova-russia-war-crimes/7794794001/

It is clear as day that as much as Russia desperately needs a cease-fire Ukraine will not stop until Putin says sorry and Russia quits their invasion to go home.

Quote from the above report

"I have a Russian last name. I know many people there. And I know that many ordinary Russians seem to support (President Vladimir Putin's) policy to kill ordinary Ukrainians. For me, it's been a shock to see this and a really big question is: How is this generation (of Russians) ever going to look Ukrainians in the eye after all these actions?" Venediktova, a former law professor, said. "They behave like barbarians."

05-07-2022 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294176#Comment_119294176

I’ve American family and they’re not buying it and cost of gas trumps beating the Russians, though they increasingly see as an irrelevance. Maybe not representative but I’m not sure that the contrarians are as few as you think they are. Even the NYT reporting on difficulties of keeping the public on side

ZenNature · 05-07-2022 05:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294265#Comment_119294265

" Oh and who produces the vast majority of the pumps and other tech for Russia's gas and oil mapping, extraction and pumping? "

Yep that will work out great , lets hold back all the equipment and delay the maintenance on Nord Stream 1. Lets ensure Putin keeps the pipeline closed for months.

Id say Germany heavy engineering is sending whatever Russia put on the shopping list to ensure Putin has no shortage of western equipment to get the maintenance on NS-1 completed. Imagine if Putin comes out and says the pipeline wont re-open because the west didnt send us some equipment, their goes inflation and you can lock in an EU recession.

Your completely bonkers mate, you think we are winning the economic battle and think because we supply equipment for a gas pipeline that comes from Russia and keeps the EU afloat that we some how have a strong hand to play.

You better have plenty room in that house of your for all the other delusional acolytes, come winter ye can sit around in the cold or crowd fund for the heating and maybe use all the gas pipeline hardware ye kept from Russia as seating.

I flew in Antonovs and Illyushins in the 90s, Im plenty aware what Russia aircraft industry was capable of and not capable of with limited access to western tech. Cue the conspiracy theory guys on here go mental when they learn that.

Another 500 million from the EU to Russia passed thru the wires today and lads here are worrying about whether the Russians can make a washing machine that has a cycle thats gentle on coloured fabrics.

Lets talk again tomorrow, Ive some borscht to eat, its remarkably like an Irish stew but lighter and with more flavour, often served with a Belarussian sour cream.

Here we go, cue the 'food is pro-Putin' conspiracy theorists.

fly_agaric · 05-07-2022 05:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294049#Comment_119294049

That nation was the Soviet Union (+ all of its satellites), not Russia.

Putin's Russia is I think much reduced from those days as regards technological and scientific abilities and manufacturing capacity.

They have struggled with "revamping" their military with new technology or even maintaining everything the Soviets left them and weapons is one of the few manufactured goods Russia exports alot of and is an expert in.

Stuff that's useful for humanity and not a f-cking crime and a waste like weapons (e.g. Covid-19 vaccines say) - not so much. Did you get your dose of "Sputnik"?

Instead, during the pandemic, Russia tried to drag others who are just plain better than them down to their level by spreading lies, bolloxology and conspiracy theories around the world through the internet and their state media.

The only hope Russia has over time is Sugar Daddy Xi coming through for them in a big way as a provider of technology and manufacturing capacity to back-fill things they can't get from the West any more (which he may yet decide to do I suppose, but he won't do it for nothing that's for sure). On their own, if the sanctions stay and hopefully get tightened up I don't think they have a chance (+ they will be on a spiral downwards from where they are now)!

Podge_irl · 05-07-2022 05:17PM

Putin shutting down the gas pipelines would just remove whatever leverage he has left over Western Europe.

nigeldaniel · 05-07-2022 05:18PM

In relation to Zens hyper missile talk, the US is an honest and open country so when stuff goes wrong they do not cover it up. Russia covers up everything only to get caught out from time to time. When that nuclear-power forever circulating missile thing fell from the sky last year was recovered and blew up in port what did Russia do...! yeep hushed it up and turned off all the atomic readers and sensors.

I will say nothing about the Kursk, lets's face it, if Russia could have covered that up they would have.

I am much happier with an open and frank government admitting when things go wrong.

China and Russia... NO THANK YOU.

Strazdas · 05-07-2022 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294348#Comment_119294348

That's something I've been wondering about for ages. How does Russia see the future relationship between Russia and Ukraine? They seem unbelievably blasé about the fact that they have invaded their large next door neighbour and killed tens of thousands of civilians and destroyed several cities. It's almost as if they have gone so far down the rabbit hole of Russian nationalist propaganda that they're scarcely even aware of the implications of waging war on a neighbour like this.

AbusesToilets · 05-07-2022 05:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294049#Comment_119294049

The US is currently well underway in developing its 6th generation Stealth fighter (really a system of platforms), its 3rd generation Stealth Bomber and its newest generations of nuclear powered aircraft carriers.

To date, Russia has a small number debatably stealthy fighters, with a sub-par engine. Their singular carrier has to be towed around belching smoke, because it breaks down constantly.

Encrypted radio systems and night vision optics are standard issue for US troops, seemingly a rarity for Russian ones. As are socks.

Point being, Russian is a hollow shell, despite all your crowing. This war has been the greatest political victory for the US and the west for decades, coming at a time when Russian and China were increasing winning political support overseas.

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294379#Comment_119294379

If You ask the average American how much the war in Afghanistan cost they wouldn't have a clue, they mightn't even know it ever happened, so I'm not sure the average yank will save poo tin

Hobgoblin11 · 05-07-2022 05:36PM

https://t.me/lumsrc/2039

At Sloviansk direction Russian army shelled Krasnopillia, Pervomaiske, Nova Mykolaivka, Bohorodychne, Adamivka, Dolyna, Mazanka, Dibrivne, Chepil and Mospanove. Ukrainian military repelled attack at Dolyna village, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

the next big city is Sloviansk!

05-07-2022 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294541#Comment_119294541

The war in Afghanistan didn’t impact on peoples lives in any way whatsoever

rightly or wrongly in this instance there is a connection being drawn between this war and peoples deteriorating personal circumstances

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 05:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294417#Comment_119294417

A new law is about to be passed in Russia making it compulsory for workers to do unpaid overtime to help the war effort

I guess that's a side effect of a booming economy (not)

firemansam4 · 05-07-2022 05:43PM

In regards to space technology. The Soviets (along with the US) may have been one of the pioneers of rocket technology with their space program and admittedly the US has had to rely on them up until quite recently.

But something I have been following myself for a while is the development of the new space x starship rocket they are developing. They have a long way to go yet. But if they realise the potential of this new rocket in the years to come it is going to blow everything else out of the water. I Can't imagine how Russia could come anything close to having anything like this for a very long time.

As far as space technology is concerned I think Russia are going to become more or less irrelevant in the coming years.

Homelander · 05-07-2022 05:46PM

Lol. At first it was "USSR was a pioneer in the space race, you think they can't make a washing machine".

Suddenly it's "The EU is still buying Russia fuel and lads here are worried about if Russia can make a washing machine".

No-one gives a toss what Russia can or can't make, they're just correctly pointing out that Russia is in a rather serious spot of bother with lack of access to essential western tech and will, in fact, be unable to produce a lot of modern technology, military or civilian, low end and high end.

"Russia can, for various reasons including cultural/societal, bear the sanctions well enough and the west is hurting more relatively speaking" is an opinion I can accept.

"Russia is a technological leader and more advanced than the west in many ways" is utter Hitler Bunker April 1945 level delusion.

declanflynn · 05-07-2022 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294600#Comment_119294600

Jesus wept

05-07-2022 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294049#Comment_119294049

FFS! Go back to 'English for Russian Bots' class - you're trying to refer to Comical Ali. Is it just me or does anyone suspect we're being allocated the dumber 'bots'? Bit insulted to be frank.

05-07-2022 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294459#Comment_119294459

I'll say it again, they'll shrug. They might ask, be told and then dismiss it as nonsense and just shrug again.

wassie · 05-07-2022 05:58PM

Article in todays Irish Independant on sanctions effect on Russia by Josep Borrell Fontelles - the European Commission’s vice-president, in charge of coordinating the external action of the European Union

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/have-eu-sanctions-hurt-russia-since-it-invaded-ukraine-heres-the-truth-41814337.html

Given its paywalled, heres a few highlights (sorry cant copy full article due to copyright)

2/3 of advanced tech is imported from the west

Some may ask, do these sanctions really have an impact on the Russian economy? The simple answer is yes. Although Russia exports a lot of raw materials, it also has no choice but to import many high value-added products that it does not manufacture. For all advanced technologies, it is 45 per cent dependent on Europe and 21 per cent on the United States, compared with only 11 per cent on China.

Oil industry

Its oil industry is suffering not only from the departure of foreign operators but also from the difficulty of accessing advanced technologies such as horizontal drilling.

On China

As for the alternative offered by China for the Russian economy, in reality it remains limited, especially for high-tech products. To date, the Chinese government, which is very dependent on its exports to developed countries, has not assisted Russia in circumventing Western sanctions. Chinese exports to Russia have fallen in line with those of Western countries.

Food crisis

These sanctions do not in any shape or form target Russian wheat or fertiliser exports, while Ukraine is prevented from exporting its wheat by the Black Sea blockade and destruction caused by Russian aggression. So it’s clear that the responsibility for the cost-of-food crisis lies with Russia, not the EU or these sanctions.

Basically finishes by saying since the West doesnt want to go to war with Russia, it will respond with economic sanctions (which comes at a cost obviously), but the sanctions starting to have an effect which will only increase in the coming months.

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294417#Comment_119294417

I flew in Antonovs and Illyushins in the 90s, Im plenty aware what Russia aircraft industry was capable of and not capable of with limited access to western tech. Cue the conspiracy theory guys on here go mental when they learn that.

No "conspiracy theory guys" required. This is really simple: Just like the Soyuz system those antonovs and illyushins(the former being made in Ukraine) were products of the Soviet Union, an entity that was significantly more self sufficient than Russia today. They were their own economy essentially, buying and selling mostly to each other and with limited access to, nor particular want of western tech. That is not the Russia of today or of the past twenty years. Their internal Sukhoi Superjet family uses French engines and avionics(and was still outdated by about a decade). Their latest Sukhoi airliner that was about to go into production had even more western tech involved, so that's a bust for the foreseeable. They could rattle up engines without too much trouble(so long as they avoid western licences) though it would take time, but the avionics, similar to the electronical bits and bobs in the humble modern washing machine, are quie simply currently beyond them. Even their military stuff uses Western tech now. And when their internal systems aren't the most reliable, well an Amazon bought handheld GPS doohickey can be gaffer taped to your top flight fighter bombers dashboard..

They got so far behind in this technology. The Soviet Union going belly up in the 1990's did not help one bit. The 90's was when all that stuff really exploded worldwide and unfortunately Russia, Russia's resources and ordinary Russians were busily being raped by a small gang of criminals, as usual. Then putin took over consolidated the criminals into the ones he liked and squeezed out the rest, gave more scraps from his table to ordinary Russians and gave them a sense of pride again they thanked him for it. Understandably too. Any Russian living through the shítshow of the 90's sees Russia since putin as a golden age by comparison. Any other narrative is a hard sell, especially to that generation.

But you still didn't answer those simple questions. "They built outdated stuff in Soviet times FACT!" is not an answer, but you know that of course. So it's easier to avoid and push the oul "without Mother Russia you're all going to freeze this winter you decadent western pigdogs! stuff. Again it's the all too basic Russian spin.

Curious_Case · 05-07-2022 06:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294213#Comment_119294213

Ah, so it's ok for you to reference Russian "space exploits" but you don't want to hear about US "space exploits"

You disappoint me, I thought you'd venture down the Von Braun route

Trivia blowing my mind? hardly

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294621#Comment_119294621

Actually he/she's one of the better ones I've come across. Started off easy, tried to look "reasonable", but when pushed the mask slips all too easily.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294641#Comment_119294641

Oh they're working alright Wassie and the sure sign they are is the same sanctions are damn near all Russian media and Russian sympathisers talks about. And they're all running from the exact same script too.

They're hurting you worse! If that was the case surely they'd want that and say nada? They try to garner sympathy with this. Oh but we love our ordinary westerners and you're the one's suffering, it's your corrupt leaders we hate. And Americans. War mongering NATO bastards etc.

The Chinese will help us! When the evidence on the ground shows nope, beyond buying the oil they can't offload elsewhere at knockdown prices. Another popular one is that Russian oil is being transferred in the middle of the ocean to get around sanctions. Yep.

Russia economy is strong, just look at the Rouble! When the fact the Rouble is so strong proves the sanctions are biting.

jmreire · 05-07-2022 06:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292552#Comment_119292552

And for the Russian side, the list of donor Country's and the amount donated is........??????

Wibbs · 05-07-2022 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294878#Comment_119294878

Well Putinbots would be quick to point out that Germany is donating millions per day for Russian gas and they have a point there. For a nice change. Germany's political class have been compromised, that's pretty sure at this stage.

Strazdas · 05-07-2022 07:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294627#Comment_119294627

I agree, though I can easily see a scenario where their children and grandchildren will be asking them in future decades "What the hell were you guys up to in 2022? How did invading Ukraine become 'normal' and even justified?".

realdanbreen · 05-07-2022 10:23PM

Shocking images of Russian savagery on BBC news just now. May the lot of the Russian in hell.

realdanbreen · 05-07-2022 10:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119295971#Comment_119295971

That should be "rot" in hell., every single one of them and their apologists around the world.

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