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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lol.

    I'm not at all enraged.

    I don't know why people come to a discussion board if they feel that any pushback against their ideal is because of outrage.

    And yes, I have no time for extreme right or extreme left positions as they are both wrong.

    And yes, acknowledging flaws in both sides of the argument is a rather healthy viewpoint to take, unless you are so deeply entrenched that you think that only your side is virtuous.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's literally always the same posters who are outraged by anything LGBT. Be it a portrayal of Santa or a bisexual son of Superman. Wouldn't tend to call anyone like that moderate in views.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Considering the fact they're giving out about what they perceive as injustices to society, they don't even realise they're describing themselves when they're giving out about others being woke.

    Most of the dopes don't even know what it means.



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I actually missed the "all" part of the sentence, and read it as "Are you suggesting that drag queens are"... there are, of course, exceptions.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Outrage is a little strong I think. It just seems to be shorthand for "doesn't agree with me" these days.

    If someone dislikes something, or dislikes a portrayal of something/someone, or has questions about something it doesn't automatically mean they are outraged.

    But it is a handy trick to paint people who disagree with you as "outraged". Kind of tries to shame them into silence or to make them not want to engage for fear of being misrepresented as some sort of bigot. Not great for a discussion board though.

    Like Nazi, fascist, racist etc, its overused and has lost its power somewhat and probably why you recognise the same names on these topics. Some posters have no fear of false accusations due to being purposely misrepresented frequently, by ironically, a lot of the same posters who happen to be on "the other side" of the argument.



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  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's a description of modern day leftism right there.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's no discussion. It's the same narrative peddled over and over again. It's a bit like having to recite nonsense in church by the same few posters. Any dissent is met with screams of heresy, snide remarks, whataboutery and both sides.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    That's everyone, to be fair. Gun rights in the US is a classsic example and anti-enviromentalists pretty much anywhere.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    If Vic Nolan is part of the "pushback against leftism", I don't see it making much progress. Those accounts are always so grim to read through.



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  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jesus...

    And it's the same few posters coming out with the kind of circular stuff on your side too.

    Needlessly aggressive responses to simple questions, deflection, refusal to answer any question that highlights hypocrisy, false accusations of "outrage" or racism/sexism/bigotry, and eventually derailing to a point where the conversation gets shut down.

    I mean, you say there is no discussion. Then why are you here? I feel there is plenty of discussion to be had. It just requires people to post honestly and answer questions truthfully.

    If you genuinely think there is no discussion, then why bother coming in and derailing with snide comments about people being outraged etc.

    I'm guilty of overstepping the mark and am needlessly provocative on some occasions but I try to rein it in as best I can.

    But to point that out is apparently "both siding".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Can you edit your signature? It's grand after a longish post, but 3 or 4 one liners in a row, each followed by seven lines of a signature is a bit much...



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You were in a school shooting thread saying people should be talking about it. So don't lecture anybody else about shutting down conversation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I popped into this thread a few days ago and saw a load of triggered people wailing about a man reading Peppa Pig to some children. Was wondering if it had moved on. It hadn't as of a few hours ago.

    I don't have a "side". That's just a cheap way of dismissing opinions you don't like.

    Discussion involves conflicting viewpoints and debate, not this circlejerk where edgy types try to one up each other because some lad in a dress read a book to some children. Heck, you're even accusing me of shutting down the "discussion" just because I'm not spouting the same hateful, bigoted drivel as most posters on this thread.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    "Discussion involves conflicting viewpoints and debate, not this circlejerk where edgy types try to one up each other".

    Does it though, you've make it clear in the past that you believe conservatism and it's ideals is a false belief system and needs to/will die. What political belief systems do you think are necessary for a good debate?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think any one belief system is necessary. Just good faith.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    But there is no good faith. You're either on one side or the other there is no grey are apparently. Don't agree with Drag artist in a setting with children = Right wing bigot. The people in the middle who would clearly go see a drag artist in their adult setting are lumped in as right wing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    I'm sure you have also seen the videos of drag queens parading around half naked hand in hand with 3-4 year old children



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Needlessly aggressive post. On brand faugheen.

    I think I was saying that people should wait for the facts to emerge and that news was still breaking while people were posting like they knew the whole story.

    A call for calm and not speculation surrounding a school shooting is hardly comparable to what we are talking about here.

    I'm pretty sure that was my point. I could be wrong. You seem to know my post history better than me at this stage so if I was saying something else, I'm sure you'll let me know.

    I also wasn't lecturing anyone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I see the equating men dressed like street workers reading books to kids as the same as panto is still going on.

    "man dressed as woman"... That's not what it is and they know it.

    Would these parents be OK with a man wearing nothing but a thong reading to kids? Ah sure magic Mike is just a fun character eh?

    And I laughed out loud when I read that these protests were apparantly an American import.... Where the fcuk did this drag queen reading stories to kids come from only America!

    A man dressing as a woman who's known mostly for adult entertainment and pride parades is no act for kids!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    The LGBT thing now is basically American. Obviously we had our own issues in Europe but we sorted that pretty much. Pretty safe here to be out and proud. We seem to be importing some of the more mad ideas now from America. Take the pride flag Black and Brown are now on it. Nothing to do with LGBT but comes from the USA I'm sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Do Shane Murray next!! The guy who posted JK Rowlings address and a bomb making book on Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    The book is not the issue. The indoctrination is.


    “Drag Queen Story Hours originated in San Francisco in 2015 as a means of exposing children to different forms of gender presentation, according to Rachel Aimee, the founder of the New York Chapter of Drag Queen Story Hour. 

    Aimee said the events help children "to see beyond the blue and pink gender binary that kids often grow up learning about". “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Ooft, only missing Trump for the lefty whinging jackpot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,071 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The atrocities in Ukraine, the equivocal attitude to it all from so many on the left loath to clearly oppose Russia in favour of democracy and the West over some Socialist utopia.


    That's profound damage.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I'm don't think I've seen your name on a thread without it being attached to an aggressive post. You seem to be given plenty of leeway so I suppose you might as well take advantage.

    I didn't expect everyone to wait faugheen. I was just voicing my opinion that it was distasteful to jump on the conservatives love guns point-scoring before the news had fully emerged about a tragedy. Seeing people trip over themselves to be the first to stick it to the conservatives before it had even been confirmed what happened was distasteful. Nothing to do with my politics.

    Simply my opinion. You obviously feel differently. You do you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    it's not there are 3 options agree, Dont agree and agree with provisions.


    1 Agree, Nothing wrong with Drag in a childrens setting.

    2 Don't agree, Yes there is its just plain wrong.

    3 Agree with provisions. Drag is fine but only in an adult setting.

    What other options are there ? 2 and 3 are lumped together.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How is this indoctrination?

    Why is indoctrination into a murderous ideology like Christian fascism ok?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why is indoctrination into a murderous ideology like Christian fascism ok?

    Murderous Christian fascism? what the **** is that? I get the religious angle.. but Christianity has been dying in Ireland/Europe for decades now.

    You really do represent the extreme of every cause these days... all the while claiming that those who oppose your views are unreasonable and should be dismissed. Crazy.



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