Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 10:53AM

Mother of God I actually think some believe everyone in emergency Accommodation are not working, it's astonishing, it's also beggar's belief this nonsense there's lots and lots of Ukranian refugees working. To look at from a value point of view is preposterous.

If those in any doubts think a Irish person in emergency Accommodation and is working, even part time don't loose part of any benefits they get, and have to feed themselves and are subject to restrictions and can be given, literally hours notice to move and have to find their own accommodation using vouchers, they are simply disillusional.

I don't agree anyone wether they be a Refugee or an Irish citizen should be treated differently, its quite simply outrageous.

Boggles · 02-07-2022 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279873#Comment_119279873

I would look at it differently TBH, having ones own home, garden, privacy and freedom would make one immeasurably more wealthy then someone trying to raise a family in a hotel room, gym or community centre.

The mental health benefits alone would be priceless.

Boggles · 02-07-2022 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279896#Comment_119279896

it's also beggar's belief this nonsense there's lots and lots of Ukranian refugees working

Literally 1000s.

It's a fact not nonsense.

iamwhoiam · 02-07-2022 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279933#Comment_119279933

I wont be discussing anything with you .I have far better things to do than explain inequality to someone who simply cannot see it

02-07-2022 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279820#Comment_119279820

There’s a huge difference between asylum seekers illegally entering a country and refugees fleeing war and coming legally under an EU temporary protection measure.

_Kaiser_ · 02-07-2022 11:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279962#Comment_119279962

Given the size of Ukraine vs the area actually involved in the fighting, it's more akin to a regional conflict. There's vast areas of territory untouched by the Russian invasion.

Absolutely should we condemn Russia and support the victims, but there are LIMITS to what we can do and those limits are influenced by the demands and pressures of the myriad of domestic issues we already struggle with and which are worsening month on month.

We cannot help everyone who arrives at our door. That's reality. By trying to do so, not only are we making things worse for those already here, but these new arrivals as well.

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279962#Comment_119279962

Again your caught up on this illegal refugees narrative and fail to grasp the fact there are many, many Hundreds that are not infact illegal, never were and were actually invited to this country and essentially treated like criminals. Even those they may have entered illegally (very few in the overall context of things have had their applications heard, approved and still languish in DP, heres a thought Mary, how about they along with those in emergency Accommodation get priority for these new modular homes, would that be so wrong 🤔

You also side stepped by points about your compassion of convenience as I like to call it 🙄

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 11:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280055#Comment_119280055

Jaaaaaaazus another Dub 😂 I'm actually one of those blessed or otherwise with a South Dublin accent, living rurally for over 20 years now and still a blow in 😉

And you are correct, I've been on Boards 12 years and over the last 3 years or so it's near impossible to have a discussion, Debate, dare I say opinion. I'll admit I can get thick but do try to analyse what others are saying before jumping head first in, oddly those who have this one dimensional view don't realise they leave a pattern behind for all to see.

I'm wrong on many occasions, correct also, will of course apologise if corrected and may even change an opinion if someone through engagement proves me wrong. But I do have two eyes.

We'll soldier on as we must do 😉

Patrick2010 · 02-07-2022 11:52AM

According to Ian O Doherty in today’s Indo Putin would never have invaded Ukraine if Trump was in power, amazing how much influence the orange man has worldwide

02-07-2022 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279850#Comment_119279850

Yes things should be equal , both for the refugees and our own people .

Why? Our people contribute and are likely to keep a presence in Ireland over generations, each contributing to the economy/nation over that time. Refugees don't. They're a net loss from the outset and it would take generations to meet the balance of overall costs..

Irish people in Ireland should come first.

And once the needs of Irish people are met (along with the resources to meet foreseeable future crisis's), then refugees or whatever should be provided for, but never to the same extent as Irish people.

This is the problem with Western culture and why it's struggling so hard with foreign populations increasing in those countries. The lack of preferential treatment for the native group, the group that invariably pays for everything. Instead, resources are spread wide to provide for everyone, and loses the focus to genuinely provide for individual groups. We've had problems with poverty, and homelessness long long before the current housing crisis.. and it's been allowed to stagger along, with claims that the funding isn't there to resolve the issues. And yet, now, and even before with other refugees, funding was found to provide for those who are not of this nation.

At some point we need to place Irish people ahead of others. It's really that simple, and I would prefer we do it while we have a relatively successful economy, rather than waiting until our economy is overloaded with expenditure commitments that prevent the ability to invest anything anywhere, without help from the EU..

We can help refugees establish themselves.. which shouldn't cost much. I know from personal experience what it's like to set up in other countries with low (really low) initial reserves. People shouldn't need to be supported for extensive periods, and if they need to be.. then they shouldn't be here. Refugees are given refuge to get their feet under themselves, but they should move elsewhere if they can't provide for themselves. Move to a 3rd world nation other than their own... live the life that they're familiar with. They'll still be safe from what they originally fled from..

Wibbs · 02-07-2022 02:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279951#Comment_119279951

Well look at the language used: The only ones perpetually moaning are the Irish who feel threatened, terrified the pot they gorge out of will be shrank.

Gorging out of. That's the level of disconnect going on.

enricoh · 02-07-2022 03:09PM

Another independent td with his ear to the ground. 40k here now, the government has budgeted 3 billion for next year- what was the number of Ukrainians that figure was for anyone know?

Sinn Fein are so out of touch with their core voters on the subject its laughable imo. Holly cairns of the greens with the stellar paddy emigrated before guff!

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/taxpayers-footing-bill-irelands-reckless-24379042

Bobblehats · 02-07-2022 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280805#Comment_119280805

Seriously. I’m down to one meal a day who’s gorging on what?

Seen a couple lads in the dail having a chin wag like they were chewin the fat but not here.

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280842#Comment_119280842

Holly Cairns is SD 🤔

enricoh · 02-07-2022 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280858#Comment_119280858

Mea culpa- she's a dose either way!

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 03:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280864#Comment_119280864

Have you no shame 😉😁

xxxxxxl · 02-07-2022 03:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279938#Comment_119279938

was it not 10000 working or looking for work. So it could be 10 working the rest looking or somewhere in between. It's been mentioned that most will take up the likes of hospitality. Unfortunately there are no tourist in the hotels. so would they be paid to service their own people ?

slay55 · 02-07-2022 03:52PM

I’m posting from an iPhone 12

why on boards reading any thread, the page continuously jumps (scrolls up) all the time ?

US3 · 02-07-2022 04:02PM

Bus load of around 40 Ukrainians free entry to the aquadome in Tralee. Didn't even have to que. Poor craturs

Gant21 · 02-07-2022 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281045#Comment_119281045

They may have paid online.

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 04:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280998#Comment_119280998

You need to downgrade to am iPhone 6s I'm afraid 😁 only kidding.

I saw reports about this in feed back, not quite sure what the issue was, could be browser, maybe try chrome as opposed to Safari.

US3 · 02-07-2022 04:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281057#Comment_119281057

Nope. I paid online, you still have to que. They were walked straight past reception

02-07-2022 04:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280956#Comment_119280956

I seem to remember that roughly 10% of all Ukrainian refugees were working since they came. Another 30% are children of schoolgoing age and younger.

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 04:32PM

The last report I saw was around 3,500 had found work, types of work not being reported on, P/T of F/T

34,330 PPS numbers issued ( I presume this includes children)

11,000 Children included in above number.

So probably more than 10% of adults have found employment.

7,700 are apparently engaged in jobseeker initiatives.

These numbers from 2nd June and obviously numbers are nearer 40,000 now.

iamwhoiam · 02-07-2022 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281141#Comment_119281141

Yes children also get PPS . So do those over 66 so they would account for a percentage

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 05:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281375#Comment_119281375

Not sure if there's any data on ages available but would be interesting. I wonder what if any financial support is given to 66 year olds and older, I presume SWA as pension would not be applicable

Gant21 · 02-07-2022 05:43PM

Do 66 year old qualify for state pension?

xxxxxxl · 02-07-2022 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281487#Comment_119281487

state pension in the Ukraine is about 74.29 Euro per month.

Gant21 · 02-07-2022 05:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281507#Comment_119281507

They are getting Irish allowance here I guess.

Dempo1 · 02-07-2022 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281487#Comment_119281487

Not necessarily. There's two types and many variables re eligibility.

Full pension assuming enough PRSI contributions.

Non Contributory, if a person hasn't enough PRSI contributions and paid at a Lower rate.

I believe Contributions for EU and non EU countries can be counted and Pension entitlements transferable to another EU country and UK, but not fully ofay with how it all works or is Irish Citizenship required to get the Irish State Pension. But obviously non citizens would have their own pension entitlements seperately and still live here subject to residency rules.

My question was what if anything is being given to Ukrainian refugees as technically over 66"s would not be entitled to SWA or a jobseekers payment.

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