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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,054 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Beggars can’t be choosers- a phrase that seems to only apply to us working idiots that have to pay for things ourselves



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t think where they “want” to live should be a particularly important consideration



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How true. Some want outrageous and unreasonable results.

    Back in the day, I was what was then called a “deserted” wife. Left alone with two small children. I took the only solution I considered reasonable. I bought an almost derelict 1930’s cottage that was within my means. It has taken me 30 odd years to bring it up to today’s standards. Just as I qualify for the OAP. The thought of inflicting hotel or similar living for my children never entered my head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    But this is in relation to CC outbidding everyone, yet not buying up the cheap stock that all over the place as there is no housing crisis. We can't have it both ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    The proposed €20 increase in social welfare they surely will disqualify refugees in hotels.



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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And definitely disqualify many more from Medical Card entitlements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Nah that's the 3bn removed already from the budget.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The salient part of your homespun tale of mend and make do and personal gumption involving picking oneself up by the bootstraps is "back in the day". An all too common problem with some among the middle aged and old who view this by the remove of age and personal experience that no longer applies.

    Unless your equivalent 30 odd year old single parent of today with two small kids has a very well paying job well outside of the average, they quite simply couldn't afford to buy even an "almost derelict 1930’s cottage that was within their means" and do it it up over the decades and certainly nowhere within an asses roar of the job they would need to pay for it, its upkeep and its improvement. The Irish property market thirty odd years ago was a very different one. One where a single income family could still afford to buy and service a mortgage. Just like you did. To make any comparison is a complete bloody out of touch nonsense.

    EG a friend of mine and his better three quarters bought a new house in south Dublin 22 years ago, in the first flush of the "boom" too, with a mortgage of just over a hundred grand. Today that same house is worth north of six hundred grand and to rent one in his neighbourhood today costs nearly three thousand per month. While I fully appreciate being frugal and cutting one's cloth to one's measure and have always lived by it, I also appreciate the actual realities. You're not even comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing apples to aardvarks.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yeah there seems to be a disconnect these days from times gone by Almost derelict conjures up images of Angela's Ashes that kind of thing would not fly these days. Laws and all that. And this is not a dig at MA She sounds like a very decent loving mother who had to do what she had to. But in this day and age it's a completely different kettle of fish as they say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Personally I think those housed in hotels with three meals a day should have a much reduced rate . The inequality is so evident then refugees in vacant home for example are buying all their own food and some paying utilities . Our own unemployed on the same rate are also expected to feed themselves and pay bills .



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ……



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It seems Vladimir is still ploughing his tanks, missiles and army through their country, so maybe not just yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Whilst respectful of your achievements I'm bewildered at your conflicting stances generally, Kindness towards Ukranian refugees and zero empathy towards those in society less fortunate, you talk of forever homes and yet appear to have nothing but contempt for Social or affordable housing but you then tell us about what you've achieved in terms of buying a 1930"s house and of course laudable but as you well know at a time such an endeavour was possible.

    I actually bought a 200 year old cottage in very rural Ireland needing substantial renovation, primarily because I couldn't realistically afford a house in Dublin and that was in 2002, obviously this was my personal choice and still have a small mortgage but I'm afraid whilst your story is something I can relate to, it's hardly an option for folks struggling today.

    Whilst I've serious and genuine difficulties with the entire policy re What's going on and especially the absurd EU directive, I sympathise with All refugees and I might add those less fortunate in our society. I don't pick and choose were my compassion should lay and I certainly don't subscribe to this narrative, "I overcame adversity, why can others", life I'm afraid is not so simple and you of all people should know this.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    I actually bought a 200 year old cottage in very rural Ireland needing substantial renovation, primarily because I couldn't realistically afford a house in Dublin and that was in 2002, obviously this was my personal choice and still have a small mortgage but I'm afraid whilst your story is something I can relate to, it's hardly an option for folks struggling today

    Of course it is, the embracing of WFH not only makes it an option it makes it the more desirable option.

    It's one of the main reasons house prices are growing faster outside traditional urban areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Two very simple words come to mind Boggles but I'll let you work them out for yourself.

    You've lost all credibility, your obsessional one dimensional view is plain for all to see, you've neither the ability to actually share an opinion or coherently respond to others, instead, sarcasm and deflection.

    Thats my one and only response to your nonsense today.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I just shared an opinion based on reality.

    But you offer a torrent of abuse in return.

    Very strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Inequality?

    What value would you place on having your own home and not living in a hotel room or gym with regimental meal times?

    High IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,337 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The mosney site were there has been asylum seekers for years get all their meals for free also.


    But I think they don’t get 200 a week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You call my post a torent of abuse, really, I'm sorry your so se sensitive to the truth, if I've misread your contributions to date, I apologise, but I'm struggling to see what I've missed in my observations.

    Anyway, I'm sure you'll be continuing with your sillyness today, I'll just ignore it, Byeeeeee 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You have more interest in personally abusing posters than offering any opinion.

    Best you sling your hook, maybe reflect.

    Have a good one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Ukrainian's are not asylum seekers.

    They have been given full temporary status akin to any other EU national.

    Rights to work and education, with that comes what everyone else is entitled to.

    It's no Refugees fault they are living in a hotel, community centre or gym.

    They get their meals for free because their is no other option to eat, apart from takeaway or to eat out.

    That said I know of 2 community projects which allows them to use kitchens to cook and bake and prepare meals, it's jammers.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unless you hold the line that anyone not Irish is bad, I'm afraid that's par for the course. I've lost count of the many insults that have been hurled my way simply because I welcome migrants to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic


    Maybe you should sling your own. Narrow-minded insulting posts and deflection is a spot on analysis. Get off your keyboard and get out into the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mattser


    Nice one. You're all the better with no discourse there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Hmmmm, critised for welcoming Migrants is it, anyone who's not irish is Bad is your impression of all those with a litte objectivity . Absolutely ludicrous and if your looking for sympathy for your opinions, you'll get that from a very small handful I'm afraid.

    Your welcome to twist what people have said of course and I've no doubt there's been outlandish comments (indeed some from your good self) but by far the vast majority on this thread have expressed sympathy for Ukranian Refugees but equally horror at the double standards and Hypocrisy at play, you can pretend to be oblivious to what's going on all you like but justifying your stance by throwing out wild accusations will be called out.

    I freely admit my strong opinions on the matter and have called out attempts to conflate other issues with the Ukrainian Refugee Crisis. I won't be lectured by a small minority who've absolutely no objectivity and a one dimensional view on what's going on.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    They certainly do get meals and laundry facilities but certainly don't get anywhere near the amount Ukranian refugees get, I believe its €38 per adult per week and additional payment for children, also discretionary medical card.

    They also live under a lot of restrictions and have nowhere near the freedoms afforded to Ukrainian Refugees.

    I'd be very curious to know what precisely the 500 refugees that arrived from other countries last month are entitled to and getting, I'd be pretty confident it's the same as those in DP.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    You dont need to preach to me .Yes inequality , people in hotels pay no bills are warm and fed . The refugees we housed are getting the same €204 and buying their own food and cleaning materials and contributing to bills . If refugee is in a hotel being fed and has no bills why do they need the same amount as our refugees . Yes things should be equal , both for the refugees and our own people .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'm not preaching. But you are looking at costs whilst completely disregarding value.

    A lot of people living in hotels, community centres and gyms are working, should we garner their wages?

    You can't have 2 tier systems under the directive based on luck and circumstance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    No if they earn they earn but yes we should reduce the SW payment if we are also supplying food and heat and electricity and hot water . Our refugees are very mindful of the cost of things and are very mindful of not using too much electricity . Of course its unequal , the dogs on the street know that



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