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Wimbledon 2022

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Like Murray a lot too, but I don't think he ever, at any stage, surpassed the peak of any of the big three 🙂



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shapovalov goes out meekly in the second round by 3 sets to 1 to ATP ranked 56 Brandon Nakashima,


    That lad Shapovalov, he's no Paul-Henri Mathieu, that's for sure!


    Murray - same number of slams as Stan the Man.


    Except that Stan has a 75% return on Grand Slam finals (3/4)


    Murray has a 27% return on Grand Slam finals (3/11)


    Not quite the final performer on the level of Stan obviously with Stan being nearly 3 times as effective.


    Murray did get to No.1 I will give him that but at what cost - he was playing almost every week in the hunt for ATP points and that's when his hip issues started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    From late 2012 to late 2013 he was clearly the number one player in the world. Worst case scenario he was just about the best player in the world, but he was the best. Then the injuries really took their toll, just as he put it altogether



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Ye I'll accept that. Watching him the last few years, I thought he had a huge game, but it's actually worse he's getting. Very poor the last while really, where I assumed he'd be pushing on.

    Going to bring that up everytime? This from the Federer fanboy, turned Djokovic fanboy?

    Also never claimed anywhere Mathieu was much good, just always liked his aesthetics after seeing him lose to Federer in an early round of Wimbledon years back. Thought he had bags of natural talent, but ever only in patches, but for whatever reason hit a wall in terms of developing and pushing on. Very mercurial player, just was always interested watching him play. Wasn't saying it to be a "hipster", but believe what you want



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was never a Fed fan.

    Not sure where you get that.

    Decent player in his day, if a bit suspect mentally but big smell of maintained fakeness off him for me personally.

    His Wimbledon blazers with shorts made me gag also with the absolute pretentiousness and self-loveness of them.


    ah the PHM thing was a bit of a laugh.

    certainly does come across like somebody going on about some obscure music band.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    No genuinely followed Mathieu's career. Was a more promising French youth than Gasquet, still don't know where it went wrong for PHM. Always liked watching him play though, bursts of genius.

    Ye he came about as you tried ridiculing me over Hewitt, which was strange, seeing as he's a great great player. Battered Sampras many times, who was one of the greatest ever, which people like to forget, several years before he retired. And battered Federer plenty of times too



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you do have a penchant for having some alternative opinions on certain players alright I'll give you that.

    but we hardly need to revisit old ground there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    You may consider it alternative, but it was the reality. "Hewitt dominated a transition era", biggest myth, he wiped the floor with Sampras' generation, to the point people say Sampras was just too old. Hewitt was hammering him 3 years earlier to his retirement. If it was boxing, we'd be saying he cleared the division



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Roger federer description - "Decent player in his day, if a bit suspect mentally but big smell of maintained fakeness off him for me personally"

    Thats just baiting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    He was suspect mentally. When it was put up to him, the unforced errors came. He dominated for a period where Hewitt was done with injuries, and before Nadal arrived. When they put it up to him either side of that era, he was suspect, and always was since 08.

    Hewitt broke him mentally in Davis cup in 5 sets after he won Wimbledon, this after Hewitt was wrote off with injury. Grinded him, Federer broke mentally. Hewitt was done by this point. First time the world seen him wilt on the big stage, as he had arrived by this point



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Didn't see your last point, and I've heard it before, I think it's a myth. The others were just so good, it took that much out off Murray and finished his career?

    Nonsense, big 3 fan boy stuff. He was simply unlucky with injury. He had Djokovics' number, Djokovic wasn't so good it killed Murray to compete. In fact Murray beat him with considerable ease on more than one occasion over this period.

    Murray's game evolved to the point it was complete, with few weaknesses, the rest of the big 3 were stumped. Murray became the best, make no mistake about it. Murray was set to take over just as injuries hit, he had the most complete game, it should of been his time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Sorry are you talking about Roger Federer? Decent player in his day, hahahahahahaha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    Jaysis , Draper looks fantastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    He is playing really well isn't he! Should really have broke in this second set, De Minaur is very solid as well to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Two more break points missed by Draper...really good quality match so far!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭squigglestrebor


    That was such a huge hold you feel, best rallies ive seen so far anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Definitely agree, terrific rallies some seriously hard hitting, both really fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    This is a really terrific match! Second set tiebreak. Draper edging it but didn't take those break points...could be made to pay..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    De Minaur....wow...terrific tiebreaker 7-0!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Draper looks a bit shell shocked! Broken in first game of the third set...yikes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    Draper looking quite tired now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    He does a bit....but has got one of the breaks back.

    It was gonna be hard to keep up his levels from the first two sets...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Draper in serious trouble here 2-5...he is being made to work so hard on his own serve....think it's taking its toll! He looks wrecked and panicked looking...De Minaur looks relaxed his experience telling a bit, takes the third set.

    Post edited by gmisk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "Murray's game evolved to the point it was complete, with few weaknesses, the rest of the big 3 were stumped. Murray became the best, make no mistake about it. Murray was set to take over just as injuries hit, he had the most complete game, it should of been his time"

    Surely you're taking the p*ss! Physical fitness trumps all - what's the point of having the 'most complete game' even if that were the case, if you then crumble and fall apart physically as a result of your efforts.

    Federer at least had great economy of movement, he played and moved quickly but often due to his innate skills, it looked effortless. But time catches up on all, which is why Nadal's continuing career is a mystery, is it not? A crock if we are to believe all we read, but who plays at a top level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    De Minaur through in 4 sets. Gotta feel a bit for Jack Draper he was terrific in those first 2 sets, the tiebreak in second set affected him you felt. Seemed out on his feet by the end. I am sure he will have many more big matches in his future. Terrific match I thought, De Minaur could be really dangerous.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Tsitsipas-Kyrgios and Anisimova-Gauff, Saturday is going to be good! Hopefully both on centre court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    just on a side note - has anyone noticed the amount of obese linesmen & women??

    there was one on tonight during the Draper v De Minaur match and my god she looked like she was about to burst out of her uniform

    and that's another thing, those new uniforms look mank 😫



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    So freak injuries are an indication of a players quality? It's not as if we're talking about potential here, he literally bested the big 3. Beat them, dominated the calender, went number 1. He toppled them, like it or not.

    Djokovic as it happened beat him in one major and a few minor tournaments as it happened, over this period. But let's not rewrite history to suit a narrative. In all of Djokovics'victories he was hanging on, playing containment tennis. Experience seen him home on a few occasions, when it didn't Murray battered him. Their hth from late 2012 to late 2013 was close, but Djokovic for the most part was on the backfoot, at best just about containing Murray, in his loses getting battered, completely outplayed, straight setted on a few occasions

    Djokovic himself knows he met his match. He knows his career could of been very different. The British media tend to hype their players but Murray was the real deal. He bested the big 3, that can never be taken away from him.

    As much as it kills people, between 2012-13, Murray went number one and surpassed the big 3. Injuries beat him, not the big 3. He became number one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    If Murray was so dominant, how many slams did he win between 2012-13? Also wasn't Nadal number 1 for a large part of 2013 if I recall correctly.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Bublik can be such a good player, and utterly brutal in equal measure. His serving in the first set v Tiafoe was unreal and then fell apart in the early part of the 2nd set. Broke back to get to 5-4 in the 2nd.



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