Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Wibbs · 29-06-2022 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268369#Comment_119268369

" Imagine we swapped out the Russians for Americans. " Its all wishfull thinking and imagination here.

The Yanks are dicks geopolitically but as far as the prosecution of wars go, they make the Russians(and anyone else) look like Dad's Army. Not exactly surprisingly given how many trillions they throw at it and the practice they've had. They've never had much luck with insurgents, though nobody has, or can really, but they stayed in and controlled far more of Afghanistan than the Soviet Union at her near peak did.

Ukraine had a standing army (including reserves) not that far off the Russian army and Ukraine has barred all males 18-60 from leaving. Plus Ukraine is receiving arms from 30+ nations. Yet on the battle field they are not making progress. Maybe someone needs to face up to that and figure out why and fix it.

They got a fair number of anti tank weapons, a few drones, a few antiaircraft systems, a handful of heavy artillery, decent intel, no aircraft, no tanks. Dribs and drabs for the most part. If it were more than that Ukraine wouldn't be screaming for more on a daily basis, they know the "REALITY". Russian forces still overwhelm them in numbers of men and materiel. These are "FACTS" as you like to type it.

If the Ukrainians had anything near parity with Russian forces why didn't they decimate the miles and miles long Russian military convoy of men and materiel open on all sides on the road to Kyiv in this "feint" at the start? As I said way back when this was current, if a squadron of WW2 German Stuka dive bombers had fallen through a a crack in time and saw a target that big lined up like that below them they'd have had a collective orgasm and a field day. That convoy remained pretty much unmolested because Ukraine simply didn't have the men and weapons to hit it effectively, or at all. And at the time I got static from the Slava Ukraine! lot for the suggestion.

Say my name · 29-06-2022 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268027#Comment_119268027

This is how Irish people view Russians in Ireland.

https://youtu.be/niJV5X2UMLU

The Russian ambassador here publicly lied pre war.

And the rapes and mass murder in ukraine.

Would any Russian in Ireland grow a pair and show otherwise that ye abhor the war.

There's not an ounce of remorse in that post. And yet there's poster's on this thread claiming to be upset of the thought of deportations of Russians from here and that's why they came on this thread to publicly anonymously declare their hatred of Putin and the war. But yet are happy to have the Zed brigade be their public image of Russians in Ireland.

Would yous do something to show otherwise. Because there's no action to show otherwise from ye.

is_that_so · 29-06-2022 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268456#Comment_119268456

It's really a basis for a proposed price cap by the EU but the G7 need to figure it out and agree it. It also includes tanker insurance, which is based out of London. How it works is simple enough. They agree a cap and will only pay that. If Russia tries to flog it elsewhere above that rate countries will be labelled sanctions busters and there could be some nasty consequences.

xxxxxxl · 29-06-2022 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268456#Comment_119268456

Very simple. You either Trade with Russia or the west.

Strazdas · 29-06-2022 07:27PM

The dictator is attending a conference in Turkmenistan. One assumes the extreme social distancing is at his insistence (that's him bottom left).

Wibbs · 29-06-2022 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268456#Comment_119268456

As of 2020, the collective group accounts for over 50 percent of global net wealth (which is $418 trillion),[4] 32 to 46 percent of global gross domestic product,[n] That's a lot of leverage. Especially over economies that rely on them and that includes China. I'd be willing to bet the Chinese other than cheap Russian oil are not happy overall about how this is panning out. It's very bad for their business.

is_that_so · 29-06-2022 07:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268501#Comment_119268501

It's also bad for their immediate Taiwan ambitions. They really didn't see the extent of all of this.

nigeldaniel · 29-06-2022 07:39PM

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-military-wipe-russian-saboteur-134600854.html

Russia's power brokers are spending wayyyy too much time watching Hollywood movies. This is right out of 'Escape From LA' Letting cons out of prison in order to go on the rampage in the Ukraine is surely against international law.

zv2 · 29-06-2022 07:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268394#Comment_119268394

The invaders are at a disadvantage. It will cost the Russians dearly to hold what they have if the UA gets what it needs. They are already threatening to retake Kherson. They'd have it by now if the got the weapons.

storker · 29-06-2022 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267735#Comment_119267735

To be fair it could be fear of the long arm vengeance from the Kremlin. The affair in Salisbury showed that Putin can have a pretty long reach when he wants to, and he's likely to be feeling even less inhibitions now than he was back then.

nigeldaniel · 29-06-2022 07:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267886#Comment_119267886

I have been suspect of Lucky Lukashenka for a few weeks. He seems to be happy to get hold of Russian hardware but is clearly not going to help Putin who I suspect is someone he does not at all trust. I would not be surprised if I learn in 5 years time that Lucky Lunk is an ace in the hole for NATA and the US. That could be where all the high-value intel is coming from. If Lukashenka was a true Putin bot he would be helping Russia a lot more than this. Belarus and Kazakhstan might be looking at Russia post-Putin and planning for that evidentially. hopefully, by saying this I don't scupper anyone's plans!

20silkcut · 29-06-2022 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268592#Comment_119268592

Yes there is absolutely zero safety in this country if a Putin henchman wanted to take you out or put poison in your tea. Look at the oligarch who had his family hacked to death in Spain recently.

It may be a remote risk but just cause your paranoid doesn’t mean they are not after you. Such fear is the life blood of Russia right now.

On the other hand there is very little risk of serious consequences ( bar a few fu*ks thrown at you) if you wave a Russian flag or paint a Z on your car. Because we live in a comparatively civilised free society, where law abiding citizens are respected and have guaranteed rights.

Such reality speaks volumes of Russia right now but we still have as*holes coming on here trying the both sides and moral equivalence bullsh*t.

Russians are staying quiet because they are genuinely scared of their psychopathic despotic regime and it’s menacing reach to all corners of the globe and the fact they can hack you to pieces or disappear you with impunity.

zv2 · 29-06-2022 08:28PM

Fire in Moscow

https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1542223928063660032?s=20&t=fkGmZJhopHF2eEkVtvw4eQ

xxxxxxl · 29-06-2022 08:34PM

Would not surprise me that's it's in fact Russians setting this stuff alight. If they have no ammo they cant be sent off to war.

Say my name · 29-06-2022 08:51PM

https://youtu.be/uHzPrayS8dU

And they're too afraid in Ireland.

I don't buy this afraid nonsense in Ireland. It's support by staying quiet. The very same as the Zed brigade.

jmreire · 29-06-2022 08:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268007#Comment_119268007

Well if you still had relations living in Russia, and planned to go back there yourself, you better be very careful what you say publicly, especially on the internet. Syrian's face the same situation.

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 09:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268592#Comment_119268592

Likely very true, but why does our peacenik friend not come out and say so?

The truth is because he wants an end to the war on Russian maximalist terms. It drips from his posts just as they drip of odious lies and conspiracy theory.

jmreire · 29-06-2022 09:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267989#Comment_119267989

Why are they moving to Australia? Security issues?

Hobgoblin11 · 29-06-2022 09:08PM

https://t.me/rian_ru/169213

Russian troops entered Lysychansk refinery, is this the latest Azovstal?

Wibbs · 29-06-2022 09:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268843#Comment_119268843

That old lady Elena has some stones. Ten times the person I would be in her position. I love her artwork too.

opinionated3 · 29-06-2022 10:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268843#Comment_119268843

I bet those Russian policemen feel right tough ........

Furze99 · 29-06-2022 10:09PM

Remarkable the number of new posters who pop up on this thread, accounts registered within a few days and who basically trot out the same line about Ukraine and how they should just suck it up and settle for their current state of affairs. Quite remarkable.

briany · 29-06-2022 11:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119269178#Comment_119269178

Forums aren't like Twitter where the latter can be brigaded by legions of anonymous troll accounts and it becomes difficult to separate trolls from genuine people. On here, we can see that they only registered recently. It's all fairly obvious. It's something I've noticed on CA and AH over the last few years, and I'm sure I'm far from the only one. It often isn't even sophisticated or subtle trolling.

30-06-2022 01:33AM

For those who encounters kremlins web brigade on a daily basis

Found this interesting video that explains the old troll excuse about Ukraine bombing Donbas for 8 years.

https://youtu.be/g-YKRc_b7CE

Yurt2 · 30-06-2022 02:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119269735#Comment_119269735

This video only scratches the surface of the bottom-of-the-barrell manipulation and outright lies that Russian internet trolls spew. We've got a taste of it in this thread. Even those from fake peaceniks wringing their hands for a Ukrainian surrender on Kremlin terms. Lie after lie, and they think they won't be pulled up on it, and think they can pose as some sort of Desmond Tutu figure crying out for peace.

There's only two possible scenarios here:

They know what they are spewing is lies. In which case, they can get scalded.
They don't have enough cop on to know what they are spewing is lies. In which case, they can get scalded.

ZenNature · 30-06-2022 05:52AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/30/china-snaps-up-russian-coal-at-deep-discounts-as-ukraine-war-continues.html

So CHINA is snapping up Russian coal. China imports of Russian coal have increased 55% since May

I guess China didnt get the memo about the sanctions. Even if they are having to give a discount Russia is still coining it because coal is at record highs.

This is not going to be doing the planet any good either.

The West sanctions on Russian coal received great applause but they arent going into effect until August.

So as those atrocious war continues , the West is lining the coffers of the Putin regime day by day.

As I have said I dont think our leaders in the West have thought thru their actions very well, pre , during and even post this war in Ukraine or any major issue for that matter.

Does this mean CNBC are pro-Putin for reporting FACTS ?

Podge_irl · 30-06-2022 05:57AM

What on earth is your point?

Europe is going to move away from all Russian energy imports for security reasons as much as anything else. What else do you think they can do?

ZenNature · 30-06-2022 06:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119269808#Comment_119269808

There are many points to be made and explored. In this case I just think many of these sanctions are meaningless, barely worth the paper they were written on , all they are doing is impacting ordinary citizens, creating a global recession and driving inflation thru the roof. When the real squeeze comes in winter I expect many of these sanctions to be kicked down the road , again. Its all bluster and showmanship but little teeth.

Clearly Russian exports are being welcomed with open arms as they pivot East. The world order is fractured and many nations are jumping at the chance to escape western hegemony, either by choice or because they cant afford to make any other choice many nations will gladly deal with Russia irrespective of western sanctions.

ZenNature · 30-06-2022 06:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268406#Comment_119268406

" All the G7 boyos are talking about a cap on all Russian oil prices, which will further squeeze them ... "

What do you mean further squeeze them, the current measures taken by the west could not have done more to INCREASE Putins coffers, if they had tried.

The Russian Finance ministry reported last month that they had already met their budget 2021 projected income for 2022 for Oil and Gas revenue, circa 150Billion.

Russia is 6 months ahead of target on energy revenues, and likely to exceed 200% of projected revenues by EOY 22. Doubling your revenue is not in the definiton of a squeeze.

As to an energy cap on Russian oil, sounds great in principle and on paper but like most of the west's measures its unliklely to work in reality for many reasons.

The minute the G7 announce any form of Russian Energy cap, oil will spike $15 minimum , increasing likelihood of a global recession and drive inflation higher. Maybe you can afford that, and no doubt the decison making boyos can afford that but I know many people who could not.

To impose a cap they need other nations to buy into it, who is to say they will. This type of measure enforcing price controls on oil exports has been tried in the past in Iran and Libya and both of them failed as they were open to corruption and bypassed by nefarious entitites.

A cap would have to approach $45 to hit Russian profits , and if Russia chose to pull the plug on some of its exports then again oil spikes, more recession, more inflation as nations scramble to replace their Russian oil.

More theoretical ideas like the sanctions which havent worked in the past and unlikely to work in the future.

If anyone is squeezing anyone, Russia is putting a squeeze on the EU, what else would you call the 500 million euros they will send to Russia today.

Its all FACTS folks, some poeple think FACTS are pro-Putin , but heh its best to understand whats happening, maybe then we find a solution.

Fighting Tao · 30-06-2022 07:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119269839#Comment_119269839

The Russians have said a lot of things, and all were lies. I wouldn’t believe their budgetary figures at all. They are trying to make things look good to their population and useful idiots in other countries.

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