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Tiernan Kelly Incident

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Gouging should be dealt with harshly.

    the gouger Kelly entered the field of play, gouged someone, yet, nothing done by the Gardai ?

    if he came on the field with an ice pick, stuck someone with it, would we see similar non action ?

    Anyway, delighted they were sent packing by Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    At half time of Galway vs Derry, the gaa should bring out this Kelly lad tied to a tree or some tree like device, and then release a giant eagle with the sole purpose of dislodging his 2 eyes. That’s what I would do if I was gaa president anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭greek88


    On the incident he should be punished and a good punishment at that. However look back at the footage it was all started by Galway. Comer to be precise if my eyes are right he shouldered an Armagh man going into the tunnell. I don't like northern teams or mayo sorry if I offend anyone but that's just my opinion. But Galway started all that **** the last day.



    Waiting for the abuse now....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭Robson99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    I have to laugh at Colm o Rourke saying the common denomator in this is Armagh? O Rourke was involved on one of the most thuggish Meath teams of the 1980s to play the game and were of the same calibre with dirty play and thuggery. He is no one to talk about dirty play he was involved with a team that always dished it out as good as Armagh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    If that was true, I don’t think it is…Armagh could fight fire with fire, but eye gouging .?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I don't remember O'Rourke ever being accused of being involved in any sort of direct scandal or being accused of misbehaviour. Especially given he'd have been a player who was targeted by opposing teams too. Were there really similar scandals with the likes of eye-gouging in the 80's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    We may be coming at it from different angles. I'm saying what SHOULD happen; you are more pragmatic and saying what WILL happen. I reckon what you're saying is most likely what will happen, i.e. a big fudge.

    I'm saying that the laws should be applied. If Galway end up with 10 players suspended so be it. It's their tough luck that their next match is an All Ireland semi-final. Keane and Scholes were suspended for the 1999 Champions League final - can you imagine that happening in the GAA?

    This melee is no different to to all the others. Your attitude seems to be that we should keep following precedent and do nothing. Einstein's theory of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Armagh were way ahead of the posse on that one.

    They had already established that they could start a melee and get away with it with their successful appeal to the suspensions from the Donegal league game. They won their appeals on the basis that there was not sufficient clarification from the GAA, even after referees asking for them, as to what constituted contribution to a melee.

    No idea what may be in Coldrick`s report, but other than Sean Kelly and Aidan Nugent being red carded for being captains of both teams i can not see what those red cards were for. If that is the case then Coldrick needs to go back and read the rule book.

    As far as I`m concerned Armagh were well aware of what they were at and could not be punished on the basis of contributing to a melee as the rule currently stands after their successful appeal earlier. On that basis the only two who will be punished are Tiernan Kelly for gouging and unfortunately the Galway sub who hit him with a haymaker he more than deserved.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eye gouging is now a general melee, these players are scum and need to be treated as such unless the GAA want to be seen to be soft on this behaviour. A rugby player recently got a 72 week ban for eye gouging according to Tommy Bowe on Ireland AM this morning.



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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2 fellas from Louth were convicted of assault for shoving a referee. They should have gouged him and just gotten a couple of game ban apparently. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭elefant


    Cheers for confirming you don't like Mayo - very germane to the discussion on these events 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    I would be happy with a lifetime ban for the eye gouging. Extremely dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    what ever about a melee , trying you best to blind another person is the act of a coward a criminal and a thug on or off a football field.

    there is a positive to the physical aspects of our games but some one who wasn't even playing trying to blind some one who was is a dirty act and should result in a multi year ban from any gaa activity

    however the gaa has shown time and time again that they are awful at dealing with such incidents .

    so likely no change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Armagh sub with a Bib 16 on him also threw a punch at Comer while he was being held

    Other that these 3 it will be impossible to sanction any of the others as there was at least 40 bodies in the thick of things all practically doing the same thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    The GFA agreement was 24 years ago. Most of the current Armagh GAA players have never seen an armed soldier on the street or a fortified border crossing.

    The trouble were awful no doubt but life for the last 20 or so years has been mostly peaceful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭riddles


    I think the duty of care on the tackler to execute it correctly if not straight red like we saw on Sunday would sort it pretty quickly. Rugby has done a lot to try and clarify someone not going lower in the tackle and binding should not take much for the GAA to clarify it through duty of care.

    There seems to be a lot of discretion on the interpretation of a mistimed hit v malicious intent. The tacklers are generally playing percentages in their favour specially when someone is hit blind sided. It doesn’t add anything to the game to see a player leaving with a concussion or facial injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If that Armagh 16 threw a punch then he will likely (and rightly) get done as well. After Armagh`s successful appeals on contributing to a melee then there is no way anyone can be charged now under that rule. Other than Tiernan Kelly and that number 16 not getting the memo, I believe it would be naive to believe Armagh were not aware of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Half the problem here is that polite company say they don't want to see the melees but many many GAA people clearly don't mind it, or enjoy them even. Once that attitude persists and prevails then there won't be a change.

    The whole GAA discipline process is a complete joke anyway. A week or two ago some players got their suspensions quashed because the meeting was held on zoom. If this kind of technicality allows someone to get off well the whole process has zero credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    That shoulder charge that the Armagh lad was sent off for was way more dangerous than the gouging incident. It’s time for shoulder charges to be banned. He wouldn’t have tried it if he thought he wouldn’t get away with it. Or we can just wait until someone inflicts life changing injuries live on television.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Pdoghue




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    What happened on Sunday was mild enough compared to what goes on at a lot of club games inter counties. Especially up north and in some wilder counties down south like Laois, some of the fights that happen involving players, bench and fans are crazy. One time in Laois even a wild dog was involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Id agree to an extent. But id give kelly more than 2 games personally, as this kind of thing needs to be deterred.

    Personally, I think the first 3 lads who started it should get into trouble also. That is comer and 2 other armagh lads. Comer is getting off lightly because someone gouged his eye but he was a huge factor in the entire thing - probably the definitive factor of it truth be told. He got removed from the melee early on and then got right back into the very centre of it again. Similarly, the guy who punched the kelly lad after the gouging incident should be banned for the semi final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    The Meath teams he was on contained some of worst fcuking animals to ever play the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭celt262


    Kelly will get at least 52 weeks and rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭mattser


    You sound like you got a few slaps from them 😁😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,102 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Comer did seem to start the whole thing with his big gob so he definitly should be banned for the semi.


    No idea what Kelly is supposed to have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    That Armagh Corner Back number 2 was involved in about 4 or 5 wreckless incidents both on and off the ball during the game as well whilst the CCC are it...he looked like a cage fighter and behaved like one



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    For what it's worth, British army patrols didn't cease with the Good Friday Agreement.



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