Mayo GAA Discussion

PARlance · 28-06-2022 12:07AM

I would have been keen on Rochford myself until very recently, maybe as recently as yesterday but I think it would be a case of deja vu deja vu...

A fresh start is needed

28-06-2022 12:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259893#Comment_119259893

Yeah, even though I respect what Rochford did I think this rethread manager merry go round needs to stop.

Maughan was replaced by Holmes, who was replaced by Maughan, O'Mahony had two stints, Horan was replaced by Holmes, and Horan appeared again.

28-06-2022 05:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259667#Comment_119259667

Go back an re read what you replied to. I wrote “some gobsh*te within the county board” not “the county board”. The “county board” are not a hive mind all agreeing on everything. To have had talks with said individual in the first place there has to have been at least a couple of people within the higher echelons of Mayo personally behind the plan who subsequently felt marginalised when it became clear he was a knob, That some of these people would have “scores” to settle is not beyond the realms of possibility. And look at the type of personal information spread by the individual about some people within the Cb. That suggests it ultimately is coming from an individual or faction with an agenda, and access,

irishgeo · 28-06-2022 08:30AM

Is the process still that every club can nominate to the county board their pick for manager as long as he allowed his name to go forward? Then it's the county board to organise the interviews.

Squatman · 28-06-2022 09:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258146#Comment_119258146

Im lost in your first paragraph, are you in agreement that you are slating using form as a performance indicator, and then yourself using form as an indicator? but because he was better than some of the others doesnt mean he was good. I can criticise for the black card. Commentary at the time was due to verbals, for which this is a sanction. other players werent black carded. doesnt make it right, but thems the rules.

Squatman · 28-06-2022 09:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259736#Comment_119259736

jason is 32, the same as keegan an hennelly

RedDevil55 · 28-06-2022 10:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260543#Comment_119260543

Yeah he's not that old either, but hasn't been the same since the 2 ACL injuries.

MacDanger · 28-06-2022 10:10AM

I'd say any retirements might be dependent on who the new manager is. If it's someone good, players who were thinking of packing it in might be tempted to stay on (if they're wanted). I think Keegan, Hennelly, AOS, Doc & McLoughlin are all around the same age (32-ish) - the last two maybe the most likely to retire but I think they'd stay on if the manager wants them

HBC08 · 28-06-2022 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260543#Comment_119260543

Jason has come back from 2 acls in his 30s,not many guys in any sport can do that and perform at previous levels,he's not the player he was unfortunately and wouldnt be surprised to see him step away.

Keegan is one of the best players in the country and in a rich vein of form.Hennelly is getting better with age and on current form is the best keeper in the country.

The fact that they are all 32 is irrelevant.

MacDanger · 28-06-2022 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260736#Comment_119260736

I actually think the fact that he's just come back from the ACL injuries this year makes it more likely that he'll stay on, I think he'll want one more full season after putting in all the effort

28-06-2022 10:40AM

When should we expect a new manager?

With the county club season upcoming would he be in place for the start of that so that he can have a look at who is out there.

Or would it be a case of letting the club season run and at the end see if anyone emerges as a strong candidate that was not in the frame already.

km79 · 28-06-2022 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119259893#Comment_119259893

Same

Never go back

Rochford was let go too soon as I said at the time

But we need to move on now .

and not to Jim Gavin as some have suggested !

HBC08 · 28-06-2022 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260756#Comment_119260756

Yes maybe I don't disagree with that .

I was calling out a poster who was putting DOC,Leeroy and Hennelly in the same bracket as regards stepping away simply because they're a similar age.

I think Kevin Mac will go and maybe Jason,that'll be it.

Although it feels like the end of an era with James going we have a young team with a lot of older experienced guys.We have a team good enough to win the All Ireland with all the long term injuries back.

Green&Red · 28-06-2022 10:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260789#Comment_119260789

Difficult one, if it is to be Dempsey we'd be livid if that was announced in advance of any club championship

boosabum · 28-06-2022 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260736#Comment_119260736

Think it's personal circumstances that will be the key factor for these guys.

Some have young families, others may have career aspirations and need to dedicate time to this.

Maybe an exciting appointment may re-energise but nothing very obvious in the offing currently. Maybe McLoughlin hangs around if Dempsey gets the job but even he is feeling the effects of time and miles on the clock.

PARlance · 28-06-2022 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260801#Comment_119260801

Agreed re Gavin.

It'll be interesting to see who gets it. While there's a bit of work to do there, there's a great foundation to build on.

Having Tommy and Ryan coming into the team next year is a huge plus. If one of Carr or Carney really push on / can be developed, then brilliant. We won't be far off.

I actually think that the big challenge next year is to strengthen our impact players/bench. The first 15 or so will probably look after itself to a degree. There's a bit of work to be done there but nothing crazy. But as was mentioned, there's a lot of the squad in a bit of no man's land.

If a new manager can get 5,6,7 players who can make a significant impact, and get them and the team used to their roles, then it would be of huge benefit.

While we have a big squad of lads take can do a bit of a job from time to time, it's never really certain who those guys are, when they'll be used, or if they will deliver. They are fillers more so than impact players.

If some of the older players could be transitioned into a few of these roles, it would be great. Cillian, Aiden, Kevin McL, DOC could be the bones of a great impact bench if used wisely.

I would love to see the new manager focus in on 22/23/24 key players. I think we've suffered a little from having 30 odd players who might be /could be called upon on any given weekend.

HBC08 · 28-06-2022 11:02AM

Just to add I think this managerial appointment is the most important one there's ever been,we are at a juncture now.We have the players to land the big one but we need to maintain the standards whilst also getting a bit of a bounce and fresh voice.

Rochie has the experience,respect and is a great tactician (it was fairly clear he didn't have much input in donegal this year)He knows whats involved at this level,I wouldn't be worried that we're having a manager back again,that's irrelevant if he can do the job.I think he would be the safest bet.

My own preference would be to be brave and take a punt on Andy Moran.He knows the standards,knows what it's like inside the bubble and has a great football brain.He has very little intercounty experience but has more than the current favourite for the gig.

A clubman like Dempsey is not the answer,he has never operated at this level,now I'm not saying he couldn't learn but that takes a few years,we need to keep things rolling and up it a few %.

MayoAreMagic · 28-06-2022 11:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260498#Comment_119260498

I mean you are letting previous performances colour your judgement of his performance against kerry. He done ok against kerry, better than most in the middle third. You arent actually using any performance indicators from the kerry match to judge his performance so im not sure why you are referencing them.

In fact the only thing you are referencing is a black card that was ridiculously harsh and to most observers, a very poor call.

km79 · 28-06-2022 11:14AM

Andy Moran is a definite no for me

Too inexperienced and too close to some of the current playing squad .

I like Rochford . A lot . If he does get the gig again I’ll be fine with that but I do wonder about the wisdom of going back again .

Kevin Mcstay ?

MacDanger · 28-06-2022 11:14AM

Not sure why people would be against Gavin - he's literally in the top two football managers ever. I don't think it's at all realistic that he would consider it but if he would, I'd bite his hand off

28-06-2022 11:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258796#Comment_119258796

McStay is not an option if he wants to include McHale.

With all due respect to McHale he was a great player but is not suitable to current day management structures.

Too much "laps of the field" than "studying video " for this day and age.

Fitzmaurice is definitely out.

He's a teacher in Dingle and although he won an All Ireland he did not have to go through Dublin to do it, even in Kerry he is poorly regarded.

I agree with you on McGuiness, he did a great job with Donegal in 2012 and it was a very unique achievement, but he has not been able to follow up on it.

PARlance · 28-06-2022 11:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260890#Comment_119260890

Agree re the importance, I don't know who the right man is but it is a huge appointment.

Interesting to read your take on Dempsey/Moran.

I would be edging more towards Dempsey myself but can see why Andy might be in the running.

But is Leitrim really "at this level"? I'm not sure if there's a huge gap between what Dempsey achieved with Knockmore and what Andy may have learned in Leitrim.

I would say it's a little unfair to class Dempsey a "clubman". He has managed the minors and u21's (albeit not great tenures iirc), brought his club to impressive heights, so he has ticked all the boxes that someone can tick before making the jump to intercounty senior manager. It does seem a bigger jump these days than it used to be... And most of the talk seems to be regarding guys with intercounty experience for that reason.

To play devils advocate or to go to the other extreme, would we be basing Andy on his podcast performances? That's harsh and not what I feel, but I think there's something behind it and it really would be a gamble at this stage of his managerial career. He's an extremely impressive guy and seems to know what's required inside out but he really is unproven / untested.

I just wouldn't be leaning towards that gamble given the importance of the appointment.

MayoAreMagic · 28-06-2022 11:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260947#Comment_119260947

Mcstay and moran fall into the same category for me - too nice. There is going to need to be someone who is going to make some tougher calls, like horan did in his first stint. Someone who will keep a bit of distance will be required I feel.

Personally, id like to see a break from this narrative of we are lucky to have the players we have. It is all wrong. Mayo are a footballing stronghold and the way I see it, players should be privileged to wear the jersey for every second that they do, not the other way around. I feel that this is where horan went down. He became loyal to his players rather than the county. Ive no doubt it was bourne out of frustration with the cb, but it is still a bad move as regards keeping the team in the right mindframe. In kerry, they are lucky to wear the jersey, end of. We need to instill the same.

PressRun · 28-06-2022 11:36AM

I'd be shocked if Dempsey doesn't get it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more or less already a done deal. The county board won't pick anyone outside the county imo.

Whether that's a good appointment or not, I wouldn't be sure...

rn · 28-06-2022 11:38AM

A view from a roscommon man re mcstay - he is magnificent if you have the panel already assembled and just need the bit extra to get over the line. I seen him in action in Roscommon Gaels and St Brigids and on both occasions he got absolute max out of good to excellent teams. He's tactically astute, decisive and players generally like him.

He did a good job with roscommon IMHO, but hadn't full support after the "dream team" fell apart. And roscommon can't afford not to be 100% pulling in one direction. So roscommon views are mixed on him.

I honestly don't think mcguiness could do it for ye. What he did in donegal could only be done with his home county... Lads put so much into it.

Ye know yer selves where the team is at. IMHO that panel hasn't an all Ireland in them even if lads are early 30s and have been great servants. There's a job to keep some, turn others into panel players and impact subs and cut lose a few more. Ye should have excellent young lads from the last few years - now is their time.

Best of luck with the search.

Squatman · 28-06-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260736#Comment_119260736

it is, but i was correcting an argument that he is likely to leave because hes of the oldest 2 on the pitch.

HBC08 · 28-06-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260939#Comment_119260939

Rochford is close to the modern game and has a proven track record at that level.

Mcstay is a nice guy but has never been on the biggest stage,he's way too far removed from the modern game.

I know it's all about opinions and maybe I'm the one who's wrong but I don't see how Mcstay could be a better choice than Rochford by any known metric.

RedDevil55 · 28-06-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119260993#Comment_119260993

I've heard a few people say Horan was too loyal to certain players. Don't agree with that at all. If anything, he moved on from Higgins and Boyle a bit too soon.

There has been a massive turnover of players the last 3 seasons.

rn · 28-06-2022 11:45AM

Another view from outside; Mayo have a habit of going back to the well to replace managers and no success to show for it.

MayoAreMagic · 28-06-2022 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119261079#Comment_119261079

When I say that I mean he began to engage in this 'we are lucky to have this group of players in mayo' type stuff. It feeds into this superstar narrative that has caused issues in mayo in the last for me.

Kerry dont engage in it and gavins dublin were active against it too. For them, the players were the lucky ones at all times as they get to represent something bigger than all of them, not the other way around.

I know it is a small thing, but look at man utd under ferguson, who always talked up the club. When he left it became about individual stars and the performances became individualistic. That narrative around a squad is important.

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