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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But it’s okay for you to hate? See your message above.

    You’ll notice it’s kinda bad luck for neighbouring countries to Russia to have ethnic Russians in their populations. Putin has admitted he is on a land grab.

    We’ve seen ethnic Russians drive around displaying Russian war symbols. Where have counter war Russians displayed their displeasure with Putin’s wars.

    Orcs as a term has been used against the illegally invading, civilian killing/raping/white good stealing Russian militia/soldiers. We’ll call these scum what we like. We have freedom of speech in this country.

    Questions for you.

    1. What do you think of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, right up up to the missile strikes against civilian buildings yesterday, killing and injuring … you guessed it… Russians.
    2. How are you enjoying Western freedoms since living in the west?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Nice soapbox there. New is it?

    The term 'Orc' is used afaik to refer to those Russians who illegally invaded Ukraine and was first adopted by Ukrainians to describe the savages who engaged in that barbaric invasion. So no not all Russians are by Orcs by that definition.

    Who says fcukwits with Z cars represents all Russians? I don't see anyone saying that. NIce strawman you've set up there btw.

    But yeah those Nazi style Z flags certainly seem to have been adopted by many Russians in Russia and elsewhere.

    This from March




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    It's like they dragged a drunk in off the footpath in Lubyanka Square and put a suit on him.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This orc is the type of Russian we are supposed to respect? Nah, he’s a deluded oaf. But, is he representative of Russians…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Just wondering, did ye get any home heating oil ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    They must be taking out Russian soldiers behind enemy lines guarding these places. I say the last thing there expecting is a Ukrainian coming up behind them with a knife or silenced weapon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    "I don't like Mondays"....said a russian general this morning 60k behind the front line.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,321 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I'm not looking for an explanation from anyone, I'm asking them to voice their opposition to the atrocities that their military are committing in Ukraine. As for Vietnam, there was widespread protest across the US and abroad by Americans. From my experience with Russians living here they are at best indifferent to the atrocities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Apparently Russia is on the verge of default, or as they will put it, in the beginning of a special debt repay refusal financial operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,682 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    It's a bit more nuanced; they have the money, but it's in rubles which as of recent sanctions aren't usable to settle debt. https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-foreign-sovereign-bond-defaults-first-in-century-bolshevik-revolution-2022-6?r=US&IR=T

    The bad thing is, they have the money due to oil/gas sales.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Officially it is a default as they haven't paid within the agreed period. It's symbolic really, they do have the money but it is a way to remind them of where they are. Potentially when all of this is over it might pose a borrowing problem for them in terms of perceived risk. A much bigger problem is the proposed G7 oil price cap, which could squeeze them quite a bit if it is put in place.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    I feel the Russians might have also underestimated the threat Ukraine can pose on this particular front. Looking at all of these arms dumps going up in flames I can easily imagine that occupied territories are peppered with well trained Ukrainian commandos. Since so many of them are fluent in Russian (or simply just are Russian-speakers) they can probably easily melt into the Russian ranks to do their damage.

    If Ukraine can hopefully hold them off long enough to make a bigger push back, they are still going to need a lot of local intel from these guys on the defenses the Russians have built and to take out more ammo dumps. Russia has a enormous stockpile of unguided cold-war era munitions that they can still lob at an enemy for years on end...but they're pretty useless to them if they've already been burned to bits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They have the money in same way that I have the money for a new car if the car dealership accepted shredded newspaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I am very happy to hear this. I think President Joe now realises that Ukraine will need serious long-range systems to drive out Russia. There is only so much a howitzer can do. Russian long-range artillery and missiles need to be taken out of action. That is clear and evident.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They have the money - people are buying oil from them, grain from them, fertilisers from them.

    Their use of foreign currencies is prohibited, so they have the money they just cant spend it. A default in name only, they will still be able to borrow on markets once this is over, a slight downgrading of credit rating is expected but it wont be treated as a genuine default. At the end of the day lenders want to make money, in a few years time when RU can use foreign currencies again lenders will be happy to lend to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    "Just another manic Monday oh ooohh"...sings the russian general as he hears of 3 ammo depots hit


    edit.2 depots hit is probable

    Post edited by shivaz on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    He's still miffed the ambassador sent him out to power hose the front gate after it was daubed in graffiti.

    "I am graduate of political science and Uzbek language from Chelyabinsk State University, number one education institute east of Ural mountain. Now look at I - cleaning graffiti Nazi penis from gate in Dooblin. I should have join tractor factory like mother tell me."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭Cordell




  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Think they even have it in $s, just can't get it transferred.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'm not so sure. Or at least it won't be that simple or that soon. One of their biggest errors in all this was away from the battlefield. Impounding the Boeing/Airbus fleet a good example. Billions of foreign investment and insurance and leasing money went up in smoke there. That burned a lot of hands and a lot of bridges. They'll be seen as very risky to foreign investment and insurance and leasing for the foreseeable. Plus after holding oil and gas and grain over the "west" as a war bargaining chip means more and more will pivot away from them there too. Even basic things like international shipping companies walked away and don't want a bar of them. Now if they were a huge economy that they should be for their size and natural resources save for being pillaged by a tiny elite, then western finance would get a dose of amnesia quickly enough, but they're not. They're the equivalent of cutting Texas from the world economy.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Another minor one (in the context of an invasion) is they've straight up looted alot of Ukraine's last harvest in areas they control and it is going to friends (Syria) and those with no scruples whatsoever who might want some knock-down low price grain due to their own economic problems (Turkey).

    Was a detailed enough article on it on BBC this morning:

    I presume (no agriculture or commodities expert) there were people were on the other end of agreements to buy that (or even paid for it?) who won't be getting it now because Russia declared Ukraine does not exist any more (end Feb. 2022) and robbed it.

    Russia's regime has decided none of the post 1945 system of international law etc. applies to it any more, that loony talking-head off the propaganda show posted earlier is actually speaking a little bit of truth when he made the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Oh, I'd say he knows the Lubyanka very well...and by the expression on the faces of his listeners, they are very much afraid he might give them an invitation to visit there as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    A default in name only

    Nope. It's an actual default and it will suffer the ramifications because of that.

    Junk status and no borrowings.

    As for investors getting a return, that will have to be done by lawyers, there is a pot of about 360 billion in seized assets to pay them though.

    Another step on a long road to demise.

    Again the old saying rings through, how did you become bankrupt? very slowly at the start and then all of a sudden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    When I visited Moscow, I remember looking at that building and wondering how many fingernails or teeth were pulled inside its walls throughout the years.

    Before that building stood, it was the site of Catherine the Great's secret police hq before it was ever home to Cheka, NKVD, KGB or FSB goons.

    The acronyms may change throughout the decades and centuries, but it goes to show the impulse to have an unaccountable secret cabal of thugs at the centre just beneath the sovereign runs deep in Russian political culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Burnt many bridges and sending their economy into serious decline. Major miscalculation, compounded by an inability to recognise the deep hole they are busy digging themselves into. Trashed their reputation for nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm struggling to think of any country that went out of its way to turn itself into a pariah state like this. It seems even more extreme than the South African apartheid regime of the 1970s and 1980s.

    The legions of Putin supporters on social media don't even seem remotely aware that this could be a fatal blow to their favourite regime, one from which it never really recovers.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can bet the wailing and gnashing of teeth coupled with ripping their own clothes will be widespread... Mick may even pull out his 'luscious locks'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭electric_sleep



    How can we have a mature discussion when you're coming at me with the veiled Russian Bot accusation?

    I'll answer your questions when you drop that crap. You know nothing about me, nothing at all. Get back into to your echo chamber.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭electric_sleep


    Oh yeah that one guy really represents the Russian diaspora in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭electric_sleep


    Why should they voice their opposition ? Why are they obliged to do so? Is it because of their genetic group? Their place of birth? Or the place of birth of their ancestors. Are they invading Ukraine or aiding Putin? No, most Russians living in Ireland are ordinary people just trying to live their lives like everyone else they don't need to feel 'shame' or go around voicing their opposition so everyone knows they are not one of 'those' Russians. They are part of Irish society, not Russian society.


    If a Russian person chooses to display a symbol indicating their political position, then they are fair game to ask about it, but if someones just going about their daily business they don't need to explain themselves or voice their opinions. People can be A-political or Anti Putin and they don't owe it to you or anyone else to voice this.

    You either believe in collective responsibility or you don't. I don't believe any one is responsible for this war except those actually perpetrating the war and/or directly funding or supporting it either by physical, financial or political means.



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