Science Supports Trans People - Here is why

As does most research until it has been investigated by unbiased and professional independent analysis. A lot of modern research is funded by interest groups, or by governmental offices with their own agendas to push, and that is reflected in the papers that have been released over the years. The fact that American psychology and Medicine have done a complete U-turn in regards to Trans "science" in a relatively short period of time, and also in a time when the woke/PC movements were at their strongest in their society, is worrying. There is far too much politics involved.

Also, in spite of the research done, the samples done tend to be small, and there is no interest in determining the long-term effects of Trans beliefs on the development of individuals, both in terms of their mental health, and their social development. There have been many cases of Trans who have transitioned, regretting the procedures, and reverting. There has been very little research into the why's of that, and whether the negatives those people experienced, are relevant on a wider scale.

Lastly, there has also been extremely little consideration or research into external influence which might bully/force/manipulate people into becoming "trans" and how that affects them over extended periods. It would be perfectly logical to assume that some of those encouraged to become trans, by people in authority (parents, teachers, psychologists etc) have unduly influenced minors into believing that they are trans due to their own personal beliefs rather than the true feelings of the child. It's well established in other areas of society, where parents force their kids into cheerleading, pageants, etc. Along with the emotional manipulation and conditioning over time.

And for all your research above there is no single definition of what is entailed by supporting trans. Are we discussing those who undergo physical surgeries, and hormonal treatments? How about those who have a single surgical change vs those who do the full transition? Those who believe themselves to be gender fluid? Those who believe themselves to be male in a female body? Instead, there is a generalised and broad approach taken, lumping them all under one phrase, and seeking to justify them all together, even though the factors involved are incredibly complex and different depending on the individuals circumstances.

So.. yeah.. I'll wait for another one or two decades to see how stable all these teens who have been encouraged to believe themselves to be trans, and see how they've developed.. before I start to accept that all this research which is so wonderfully positive, is even remotely accurate. Which I don't, right now, believe it to be. Nothing is that positive. Everything has negatives.. and yet, somehow the only negatives associated with Trans research is externalised. That's not realistic.

No, it doesn't. Psychology, and the social sciences are notorious for needing to revise what research has supposedly "proven".

And yes, people are disputing your "evidence" here. How many posters have accepted your claims and evidence on the thread?

It matters when you come to a firm conclusion in the title of this thread.

Seems your mind is made up no matter how bad the extant evidence base is.

The thread isn't about science. It's about preaching a foregone conclusion that you've personally arrived at.

Put another way, if science overwhelmingly rejected your conclusion, you wouldn't have started a thread called Science Rejects Trans People.

And science doesn't support or reject anything. It's a method of inquiry.

Ironic that you've brought up Orwell.

Men are women and women are men is exactly the kind of doublespeak that Orwell warned about in 1984.

Yes, because this question is extremely complicated and drawing simplistic conclusions from tiny numbers does not suffice.

This, too.

Psychiatry and psychology has a wrought history compared to say, chemistry or physics, when it comes to establishing objectivity. Social factors, among others, are an enormous complicating factor. But certainly not limited to this factor.

The one group of people who have to leave the debate straight away are those who claim with almost certainty that they are absolutely right.

And what is science? You're pointing to aspects of psychology and the social sciences, both of which are still barely understood, and the methods of research often comes up for criticism.

"Science" is the chemical mix to send a rocket to the moon. It's the molecular composition of something. The splitting of the atom. The development of mathematics. And so on. All things that can be taken, tested, and have the same result each time. Reliable. Quantifiable.

Trans science is based on social science and modern psychology.. neither of which is a guarantee of anything. Psychological research often gets discredited after being initially approved. It regularly get's proven in the supposedly sterile research conditions, but fails to meet the same results when applied in the real world, under real world conditions. And psychology is full of maybes. Plenty of research for the assumptions used, but due to the individuality of people, can't be proven with the exactness that science usually does.

And there is a glaring absence of long-term research tracking the effects of trans ideas on subjects over extended periods of time.. in any kind of controlled manner.

You're pushing this as science, when it's not science. It's a heap of theories within limited conditions. And as eskimohunt said, your bias is showing.

Confirmation bias is an excellent point.

I agree. They're adults, and can do whatever they want to themselves. But that stops when it involves other people. Then, they're a minority playing by the rules that suits the majority.

And totally yes.. giving any of this **** to children, or encouraging children to declare themselves to be Trans, should be a criminal act, and dealt as harshly as an abuse case.

Sure, it is..

...and as I said there is a rather large amount of trial/error along with assumptions made within western medicine.

Also, it a repeat of other examples of behaviour. Take one example of acceptance or scientific reasoning and use that to justify a wide range of other treatments which are completely unrelated to the first study.