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An Post returning packages from outside the EU-See 1st post

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    Of course, we REALLY need ten digits here, I mean, there are at least ten Billion different items we might import, not the paltry million of the six digit code.

    It reminds me of the signal corp spares descriptions in the army stores back in the late 70's. Six or seven columns. E.g; LAMP - ONE - EDISON SCREW- 6 WATTS - 12 VOLTS- SOLDIERS FOR THE USE OF. Something like that. Whoever got the job of going to the shop for the tea and sugar would be told to get TEA. BOX. ONE. LYONS. LABEL, GREEN. SOLDIERS FOR THE USE OF. (or Civilians). None of your auld pansy teabags. Happy days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,463 ✭✭✭✭blade1



    Well like or lump it that's the situation and giving out about it won't sort it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Slightly off-topic, but are there issues with all parcels from the UK, would you encounter similar problems with a gift for a family member posted from the UK or is this just business/retailer items?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    All parcels. Gifts aren't treated differently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Dynomutt


    If the family member marks the item as a gift and the total value is under €45 (including postage), there won’t be any custom charges.

    They will need to provide a 10 digit TARIC to avoid an automatic return to sender as An Post’s system can’t handle any other length.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Noted, thank you. Don't want to be explaining TARIC codes and custom problems to disappointed kids when their gift doesn't arrive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    Same here, no text or email. The package has been returned to the sender.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    After buying five items from Ebay US and Ebay UK that were shipped via Ebay's Global Shipping Programme (and delivered without issue), I decided to risk a purchase of a long-time want that was being sent via Royal Mail International Tracked.

    No joy - item has failed electronic customs clearance and is on its way back to the UK. Told to email ecommchargequery@anpost.ie for the specific reason why. FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    My Package was lost, that's the explanation by the sender. They did a refund though, and asked me to replace the order, which I did, and it arrived within a few days. No fees, it was all in the price according to the seller, the vat ect all collected on behalf. So no reason for first package to be held up, it just vanished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Saw a few people had success with ems shipping and said I'd give it a try with my Japan order. I hadn't used it since the first lot got returned in August last year

    Post edited by Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy on


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Still at it. That is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Same shite again, back to using couriers for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    I did - 12 days later

    "Our records indicate that the item was processed to be returned to sender as the goods were valued at over €1000 on the electronic declaration that we received from the sender and so were required to be shipped under a H1 declaration. You will need to query the electronic data supplied by the sender/sending postal company."

    The goods were declared as £100 on the package label so the only conclusion is that Royal Mail may had added a 0 when doing the electronic declaration part.

    The package eventually found its way back to England. The seller re-sent it at the end of last week and amended the value slightly downwards. Fingers crossed. If it's rejected again, I'll just get a refund.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Update - delivered today with no VAT charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭chasm


    I've received a customs charge today, it has a tracking ID number which I think is jersey but the only item I'm waiting for isn't being dispatched from Jersey. Not sure whether to pay or not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Are you sure it came from An Post? genuine an post messages have a tracking number that you can check on the An Post website. If the message contains a link that you have to click on then it is fake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭chasm


    I received a letter from an post. It is legit as it is the same as others I have received in the past. It has a tracking ID number UMxxxxxxxxxJE, apparently it doesn't have tracking if it begins with UM!

    Edit: Just put in the details on An Post and it is the parcel I'm expecting! Customer service at some companies have not got a clue!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    I got the same bullsh1t return about the electronic stuff. It is complete rubbish imo



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well now there will be less returns from An Post because sellers just can't justify the cost and hassle of trying to send to Ireland and just won't send there in the first place....

    Irish consumers lose out as can't order items they want.

    Disgrace of a situation.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    Just got this leaflet today.

    Says on the back you can control your deliveries. I signed up to see. Theres a menu item on the AnPost.com site 'post and parcels' . Its already retrospectively showing my last two deliveries. Theres also menu items for Pause, Redelivery and Redirect. Could these herald a way to stall post that otherwise gets sent back? Who knows.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Mailminder only suspends delivery for a short period of time. It will have no effect if an post decide that a parcel needs to be returned due to an incomplete declaration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    How short? If they can retain it at all, no reason that they couldn't retain it while electronic label crap is sorted. Charge a fee for longer stays if they want. A gift horse ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    mailminder is only for parcels that are being delivered. If an post decide that the declaration is incomplete it will be sent back and therefore never delivered. There is little or no human intervention in the process. If the computer says no it goes back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    If you look at it from a slightly dispassionate perspective the fault belongs to the sending company.

    Almost 60% of what they sent failed to get through.

    You would think they might look at their postage process?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    No it doesn't. The fault is with An Post for bringing in a system at least 2 years in advance of everyone else. All postal serves are supposed to be automated by March 2023, as far as I remember, but An Post jumped the gun. This followed on from the utterly stupid decision to drop the clearance from €10 to €3.50 as soon as Brexit hit, rather than waiting to see what the effects would be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    Bring it on. A private contract to deliver postal services would never be mandated to just dump packets in a return sack. They would implement a suitable system for holding, querying, and release for a fee IF the blame lay with your supplier. If you could show the labels/ electronic data were correct and the error was theirs, they'd just have to release it. The current system let's them hide their operational errors with no accountability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I ordered something from India a few months ago and it was returned to sender twice. I stupidly believed the reason An Post gave me!

    If I want to order something from Japan it'll have to be a courier?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    How are people faring with low value orders from Aliexpress? They seem to be set up for VAT and all that, so I risked a small order of €40.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    no issue with any orders from aliexpress. they have their side of it sorted out properly. They don't ship directly to ireland, they go via holland or belgium. the customs stuff is sorted out there so it doesn't go through the an post customs process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Yeah this has been my experience of ordering stuff from China in the last few months. Some places that used to offer Ireland ePacket as a shipping option have removed it now. Most will strongly recommend or only offer PostNL as a shipping option so it lands in Netherlands/Belgium first. Ireland ePacket used to be great value and sometimes delivery as quick as 10 days. PostNL takes longer but it's stress free.

    I'm not even angry about the whole thing anymore, just resigned to the fact An Post management clearly prioritise profits over customer service, it's crazy for a state owned body to be doing that but not dissimilar to the semi-state DAA really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Coming from the UK, this has been repeating over and over since the 25th June, Im guessing Im screwed?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    It's worded as if the postman couldn't get an answer at your door to hand you the packet, no indication that it has documentation problems. The failure to engage with customers to resolve the delivery of international post goes against every historical principle of world postal services. Treating private post like it was some sort of industrial process, with flawed attempts resulting in the particular post being binned to all intents and purposes, like a dented cream egg on a production line. The problem is it's not their property. They shouldn't have the right to act in this manner. Critical Legal documents and medical products are treated with the same contempt as a dodgy boyzone tee shirt. We need legislation on this, asserting the ownership of post regardless of alleged documentary shortcomings (you never get to see the reason for return). Force them to operate an examination of the goods, over a counter preferably, and at a reasonable cost. If no valid problems, no charge. This is a job for the politicos to sort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    I sent a padded envelope with a piece of paper with a sketch on it. Value $1/sentimental value only. Sent by international tracked mail from the USA costing $69.95. Took two business days to arrive at Dublin Airport. Guess it is with An Post now to do their worst with it. I am 50% thinking positive (and hoping), and 50% thinking that An Post are going to return it for a bullsh1t reason of Electronic Declaration is incorrect or something

    Anyone want to lay bets what will happen?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    They're trying to figure if it is a commercial art commission, then add that value to the 70 bucks postage and send you a bill for 23% of this amount. Even if valueless, it's considered to be 'worth' what it cost to send it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Dunno if you saw my post but tried to get something by ems from Japan just over a month ago and it was sent back.

    If you can afford to I just would go courier to save hassle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Anything I have bought from the US or UK in the last six months, I have used Addresspal, and the items have always arrived promptly, with no issues. Customs declarations done by addresspal.

    If I was in the US sending to IReland, I wolud ask whomever I was sending the item to, to sign up for Addresspal. It just cuts out the stress.

    Anything ordered from Japan, has been by courier, usually FedEx.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    not sure which part you are questioning but VAT is due on the total value including shipping. Even if they deem the painting to be worth €1 vat will be due on the €70 shipping fee.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Well you were all totally right. Yes, had to pay based on the value of the postage for a sentimental worthless aul thing - only sent by this route so that I could track it and try avoid the dreaded "electronic form not correct" and package return


    What is the best option for sending packages in future???!!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭deezell


    From the US it would appear to be address pal, sender pays local postage to a US address, then its forwarded to here. Fees a lot less than the postage you paid, and address pal is part of AnPost, so they won't be returning stuff on their watch. If it has no value, no vat other than on the address pal fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin



    Thank you. But am I a bit thick or something. I am just not getting it :(

    I should have clarified. I live in the USA. So I have a USA address, so I don't need a virtual address or anything??

    Just want to send the odd parcel of a gift to my folks at home without it either getting returned (electronic form something or other) or them (family) have to pay money to release it from hostage.

    Any suggestions of what I should do in the future?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    It's your family here that need to set up an addresspal account.

    Any goods entering Ireland from outside the EU are not a "hostage" but must pay appropriate charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin



    It's a gift though. A gift purchased by me in USA for someone in Ireland. From reading the info in post #1838 I am thinking a gift should be exempt from any charges???

    *sure feels like hostage situation. I am just being honest saying how it feels!


    Hmm. Ok reread that post (AGAIN! only the 20th time lol). Starting to get a feel for it a bit more...



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Again, see the thread I linked for you. Gifts over a certain value must have appropriate taxes and charges paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin



    Starting to get a feel for it a bit more...


    😫



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    MOD; I have split posts away from this thread as they were about Addresspal and delay from China. These have their own separate threads. Please check the forums before posting for existing threads.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    New one on me.

    Send a small packet to a friend in the US (as I have done many times) attached correct postage and a CN22. The packet weighted 63g in total.

    It was returned to me by An Post with the attached letter saying that it required a CN23 and electronic data. They also crossed out my stamps, so they couldn't be reused.

    So we can't send now, without "AED" as well?!?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    What about sending items from here to the UK?. I posted an electronic item by standard packet post with the correct customs information on the label to Staffordshire on the tenth of July. It has not yet arrived. The normal estimated delivery period is three working days. Is there any way at all of tracing a package without a tracking number?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Cookiee


    I sent something with tracking to the UK took 9 days recently, so I imagine standard post is even shower



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