Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Boggles · 21-06-2022 10:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119229929#Comment_119229929

Only 20 percent of them work!

Lol, maybe give them even a slightest break will you, maybe a bit of time it's not like they are fleeing a war or anything. Up until 3 weeks ago 3,500 were in employment with roughly 8,000 voluntarily registered for job initiatives.

I have seen it myself personally, their work ethic and desire to be self sufficient is beyond admirable. Hopefully inspiring.

Also people seem to be quite snobby of people who work in low paid jobs, not a great look TBF, it's not their fault the pay is what it is.

Boggles · 21-06-2022 10:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119229867#Comment_119229867

But again with all the jobseekers

Nope, no Ukrainian Refugees are on jobseekers AFAIK.

There is no one chasing them to seek employment, but 10,000+ have either taken up employment or actively seeking voluntarily to engage with employment services.

Like I said beyond admirable and inspiring hopefully.

Boggles · 21-06-2022 10:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119229846#Comment_119229846

From my limited research I understand that there are 1,000's of empty apartments in the west of the country

Would you be able to link to this "research" please, in your own good time.

The rest of your post is just Kremlin talking points.

Dempo1 · 21-06-2022 10:20AM

Boggles your in over drive today , and it just occurred to me , its the longest day of the year 🙃 🤪🤪🤪

Boggles · 21-06-2022 10:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230024#Comment_119230024

If you have an issue with anything stated, by all means go ahead.

Fact based dialogue should always be seen as a positive. 👍️

0ph0rce0 · 21-06-2022 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119229966#Comment_119229966

Maybe I was wrong on that one. I thought it was jobseekers, but basically the same thing just named income support maybe.

Says here everything they are entitled too. and JA is on the list.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/ukrainian_refugees_in_ireland/social_welfare_supports_for_ukrainian_refugees.html

What social welfare payment can I get?

If you are under 66 and you are covered by the EU Temporary Protection Directive, you generally get a Jobseeker’s Allowance payment when you arrive in Ireland. People aged 66 and over will get a Supplementary Welfare Allowance before being transferred to a State Pension (Non-Contributory).

AnaB · 21-06-2022 10:32AM

Agree, more EU countries are doing even more in relation to this. Students are paying a small contribution fee, few hundred euros. A couple of years ago we didn’t complain re this payments, but in the current reality with overall cost of living, energy prices and refugee s limelight this become more and more questionable if you get me. Thank you

AnaB · 21-06-2022 10:47AM

Thé awful thing is that stuff from Dublin Polyanitsa charity org are being sold on the websites and ad pages

BruteStock · 21-06-2022 11:04AM

Boggles is one of these people

https://mobile.twitter.com/ubique60/status/1538497715117740032

AnaB · 21-06-2022 11:12AM

What can be said - please translate the comments from Ukrainian

https://youtu.be/JAGoNV8yi0A

21-06-2022 11:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119229437#Comment_119229437

Don’t you find it strange that thousands, who have very little English can find work in days.

Absolute Zero · 21-06-2022 11:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230227#Comment_119230227

It is just depressing reading these translations. Here is just one of many like this. What is wrong with Poland?

Hello! Tell me if we have already issued ukr in Poland for temporary protection. Can we give up in Poland and move to Ireland and get help ?

To which the lady responds:

Elena TsyganOK travel auditor
1 month ago
Hello! You can refuse, but whether you will receive the status of temporary protection in Ireland again is the question. The likelihood that Ireland will refuse is high.

Boggles · 21-06-2022 11:40AM

Poland and other countries are cutting them off from receiving welfare from July

Amazing how this lie has morphed into an accepted fact. Facebook I imagine.

The actual truth.

From July 2022, Poland will abolish compensation payments to persons who have sheltered refugees from Ukraine. This was stated by the Commissioner for Refugees Paweł Szefernaker. New restrictions are being introduced because many Ukrainians have already adapted to the country and can start working. In addition, many refugees are already returning home to Ukraine.

Now those Poles who provide housing and food to Ukrainians receive 40 zlotys in compensation from the state per day. These payments will stop from July. At the same time, there are categories that fall under exceptions. Thus, the state will continue to cover the costs of people with disabilities, pregnant women and large families.

21-06-2022 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230259#Comment_119230259

Nope. I'm not surprised even slightly.... because the "normal" rules have been suspended. I'm friends with the floor manager of a good restaurant in my hometown, whose management hired three Ukrainians to work in the kitchen. Normally, for Irish people and migrants, resumes and three character references would be examined thoroughly, checked up on, and two sets of interviews. However, management bypassed these checks, and just hired them because they were Ukrainian. No experience in the kitchen. No hospitality experience. Nothing. Complete newbies to a restaurant setup.

Ukrainians are getting hired because the propaganda pushed over the last few months has worked.. they're saints now. We must help them. Provide for them. Yadda yadda yadda. We are obliged to help them. Which includes treating differently from everyone else.

So.. no surprise at all over them getting employed..

Dempo1 · 21-06-2022 11:51AM

What's actually curious about the Polish approach is the fact 60% of Ukrainian refugees who fled to Poland have returned , now were they returned to exactly, remains a mystery, but also another mystery, how many have returned from Ireland 🤔

Is there any stats for this 🤔🤔

21-06-2022 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119229623#Comment_119229623

I completely understand Beasty that 8 million are already displaced within Ukraine. However it is almost 10 times the size of Ireland and the Donbas region where the fighting is happening is just under the size of Ireland. So that leaves an awful lot of land, towns, cities, houses, hotels. I am not saying it will be perfect for displaced people but at least they are within their own country, speak their own language and could help rebuild their own country. If we are putting aside 3Billion euro PLUS housing these refugees our projected spend is simply unaffordable!

If they want to come to Ireland AT THIS STAGE when there is almost no threat to their lives, then they should have to queue along with every other nationality and with the Irish themselves for schools, universities, SUSI grants, doctors, housing, food etc. Anything else is just going to cause anger, resentment and division. I make no apologies for saying this and for how I feel. I started off helping and donating but what's happening now is beyond unfair. To see people on the Help Ukrainian page looking for hair extensions, dentists to fit crowns, holidays home to Ukraine while keeping their accommodation here, requests to move over from Poland now that Social Welfare there has stopped, I have run out of empathy.

I have my own kids (who work, pay taxes here and cannot even get a single room to rent) and 2 tiny grandkids to think about and their futures. I will worry about my own flesh and blood at this stage!

Boggles · 21-06-2022 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230364#Comment_119230364

Ukrainians are getting hired because the propaganda pushed over the last few months has worked

Nope, they are getting hired because of a chronic shortage in staff, more acute in particular sectors but across the board really. They are also extremely hard and dedicated workers from what I have heard myself.

That is not my opinion. It's been reported almost daily in this country.

iamwhoiam · 21-06-2022 12:11PM

I too worry about my own flesh and blood and my kids and grandkids and and am incredibly grateful that they are not displaced or refugees or find themselves in a strange country maybe without their dad or husband . Every day I think how distressing it must be to walk out and close your door with all your possessions in the house or leave your elderly parents behind .

Gant21 · 21-06-2022 12:16PM

I would be hopeful for budget they get their maths improved and tighten things up. Handing out medical cards etc like flyers isn’t sustainable.

We are the only country in the world where you are better off on the dole.

AnaB · 21-06-2022 12:19PM

Some of them are here and renting out their apartments in UA. Many are not refugees at all

riddles · 21-06-2022 12:24PM

Each local authority has created a director of service with a grade 7 and grade 3 to work on the Ukraine topic as a previous poster there seems to be zero ability in government policy to reassess a situation.

Boggles · 21-06-2022 12:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230394#Comment_119230394

However it is almost 10 times the size of Ireland

Another facebook talking point.

The majority of Ukraine is arable land, it's why they are called the "breadbasket of Europe".

People can't form or be part of societies in fields, that should be obvious.

Ukraine has absorbed the majority of the displaced all whilst trying to prevent Peter the Great II from soviet expansion into Europe.

Dempo1 · 21-06-2022 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230583#Comment_119230583

If I recall , Ireland not dissimilar in terms of land used for farming and Ireland, tiny in comparison to Ukraine, poor argument Boogles

Any ideas how come 60% of Ukrainian refugees have "returned" from Poland and so few, if any have returned from Ireland 🤔 serious Question 🤔

JRant · 21-06-2022 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230583#Comment_119230583

It's was also called a complete basketcase, with it being one of the most corrupt countries in the Western world.

Let's be honest here, Ukraine is not stopping Russian expansion into Europe. It's a border dispute between two corrupt regimes which is now being used as a proxy for the EU and US to have a go at Putin. In the grand scheme of things neither the EU or US gave one shinny shïtè about the Ukraine situation for years as it brewed under the surface.

Now we have the US talking of 800 billion in "aid", which only a small percentage will actually go to the people and the majority on arms. The EU talking about letting a complete basketcase into the EU with no checks and balances with a trillion euro rebuild package possibly required.

For the people who have arrived here, we better put a plan in place to have them here long term as I think it will take a lot longer for most to go home than it did to arrive.

21-06-2022 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230381#Comment_119230381

I remember back in the 70’s, women and children were evacuated from Northern Ireland to the south. Most only stayed a few months before returning home. Home is always where the heart is.

Dempo1 · 21-06-2022 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230919#Comment_119230919

And a fair point 😏

Boggles · 21-06-2022 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230639#Comment_119230639

If I recall , Ireland not dissimilar in terms of land used for farming and Ireland, tiny in comparison to Ukraine, poor argument Boogles

Who has suggested Ireland should rehome 15 million people?

You think it's a poor argument because you completely misunderstood it.

Boggles · 21-06-2022 01:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230708#Comment_119230708

Let's be honest here

It's a border dispute between two corrupt regimes which is now being used as a proxy for the EU and US to have a go at Putin

Jaysus.

Ash.J.Williams · 21-06-2022 01:43PM

you can’t throw money at a cost of living crisis , it would worsen , so in this case the government is correct

Ash.J.Williams · 21-06-2022 01:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119228796#Comment_119228796

That’s the governments fault , who the hell promises all that space when we’ve been crying out for years saying there is none however we should be welcoming to the Ukrainians as it’s not their fault

Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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What social welfare payment can I get?