Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Wrong.

Citizens advice below.

If you do not have a current passport, you can use another form of identification to travel to Ireland (for example, national ID card, expired passport or birth certificate). The Irish Government has asked airlines to accept these documents.

And department of justice

All immigration services and airlines must be satisfied as to the identity of a person presenting at a border. In order to facilitate travel for Ukrainian nationals fleeing the conflict zone, a pragmatic and humane approach will be taken while maintaining appropriate immigration and security controls.

Carriers have been asked to accept Government issued identity documents, not usually acceptable for international travel, in lieu of a national passport: including, for example, National ID Cards, Birth Certificates, Internal Passports and expired passports.

Immigration Officials are working closely with Department of Foreign Affairs, Department of Transport and Air Carriers on these matters.

Furthermore, Irish Immigration authorities have requested that boarding is not refused to anyone without first contacting immigration authorities in Ireland.

These are emergency/temporary provisions and will be kept under review.

I stand corrected.

I only found the one that Dempo kindly posted. Any others?

I thought the reference was to "the budget", which is far more than just welfare. So.. government/state spending.

As for double? It's possible. I think it's unlikely although I wouldn't be too surprised to see it double after a decade IF the economy manages to cover the cost of it, which I doubt is possible. But it's not unreasonable to expect unprecedented spending over the next decade.

As for trillions.. nope. We're very much in the billions. Which is still a worrying trend when we breach the 10s of billions... which is likely.

No need for the "lies" comment. Exaggeration, yes, but you're also attempting to downplay everything too. Should we be accusing you of lying? Nope. You're simply expressing an opinion, no more than anyone else is. People really need to stop thinking that their opinions are facts. They're not. They might be based off facts, but invariably, they're biased and subject to inaccuracies.

You're downplaying right now. The problems existed before the refugees arrived... that's certainly true, but the refugees are definitely contributing as an extra strain on a system that was already struggling. These refugees have the same rights as Irish citizens, but are being fast-tracked due to their refugee status, which will always increase the costs involved. Added to which, they will have extra needs such a psych counselling that will need to be provided placing greater demands on hiring new specialists or providing more facilities, each of which will increase costs. In terms of welfare, the refugees aren't competing with Irish people... they're gaining more in benefits, whether that's accommodation or welfare payments.

All of which is going to be expensive. More expensive than an equivalent number of Irish people... and those Irish people would be contributing directly into the economy to offset some of the costs. The refugees won't be.. in fact, they'll probably do the same as other refugee groups by sending a significant portion of money received out of the country through western union transfers. That's another cost with refugees.. the cost of lost revenue that could be returned to the economy.

The first part about no money for improving the infrastructure is likely to be correct. There won't be much "spare" money for ages, although even when the economy was strong and we had few serious drains, the government still failed to invest money wisely in such infrastructure. I doubt we'll be in any kind of position again for a long time where they could do so.

I do agree that the claim about trillions being spent is unrealistic.. but tens of billions (whether included or external to the Budget) is more accurate considering the current budget, and that we're still to face the true effects of covid (and the government response) on the economy, and also the weaknesses of the overall EU economy.