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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Facefucker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Magnussen reporting nerve pain to jaw and arms as a result of the bouncing. FIA will probably have to act now but I don't see any solution that won't cost a lot of money and time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭guyfo


    Simple, put a g meter under the seat and if the car is consistently bouncing too much then penalise the team. That'll stop them putting their drivers in danger chasing laptime and be fair to the teams that didn't design bad cars.

    All the talk about Lewis and his poor back yesterday... all I could think of was his quote after qualy: "All the performance is when you get the car low… so we said let's take a beating in our necks and backs to get the car as low as possible for the performance. It's bouncing a little bit more than the other cars."



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Getting into dangerous territory if the FIA "do something". It's bound to favour teams over others depending on what's measured, where it's measured, and how it's measured. We seen all the cars have completely different (visually) characteristics. Some are bobbing but not "bouncing", some have large bounces but less often. The location of a sensor alone (since the cars seem to pitch around different points) could have a huge impact on any readings.

    Build cars so your drivers can actually fuckin drive them. Adrian Newey seemed to forget that each time he joined a new team but when he remembers again he wins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭guyfo


    The location of the sensor would be the base of the spine, its a safety issue as Mercedes keep saying after all. One rule fits all, if you are putting dangerous loads through the spine you need to raise your car up until the loads become acceptable.

    If a car is bobbing and not putting shocks up through the drivers spine it's fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I can't help thinking some journalist will ask him if his back hurts so much more than Russell's back because he's old... and then the back pain will disappear.

    I actually believe he's in pain. I'd say he's hamming it up (pardon the pun), to encourage the FIA to intervene.

    It's probably similar to other sports where players will cause themselves harm to compete. In rugby the decision about concussion isn't left up the the player because they will want to play on and take the risk of more serious damage. So I'd support using sensors. Then the team has to set the car to protect the driver and its not up to the driver at all.

    But I don't support intervention to negate Mercedes deficit. RB and Ferrari did a better job of building a car, and that's the sport. Mercedes and everyone else just needs to catch up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭quokula


    That was actually in reference to the Australian Grand Prix, coming from Magnussen's physio who concluded by saying "it’s way better now as the team has found a way to solve it”, but a lot of F1 websites just took a fraction of the interview out of context to make it sound like it's a problem now.

    During the F1 show post race at Baku Lando was asked about it too and he said it's fine and he doesn't see any reason why anything needs changing.

    It does feel like there's a narrative that Mercedes in particular are trying to push and the media are running with it a bit, that's not indicative of the reality for the majority of teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Or, don't look at the thread til you've seen the race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,386 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The FIA should laugh them out of it.

    Its not ideal for 19 drivers but they are getting on with it. Only one driver is supposedly getting crippled by his car.


    The issue is car #44. That is what needs fixing not the other 19.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Nothing simple about it at all.

    It may be okay for now but it’s seriously scary if they can’t get on top of their porpoising issues and this kind of injuries get worse every weekend - Singapore will be very very difficult for teams suffering from porpoising.

    I respect Lewis (although not his biggest fan) but in this specific situation I think unfair for people to be comparing his performances to Russell (which many are.)

    He's 37 years old, Georges Russell is 24 years, people don't seem to understand, after several milleniums that Human body grow older with time ?

    Does a 7 world champion still needs to prove anything ? He's having trouble with the car, it's painful to drive and yes, Russell is doing an amazing job but also complaining of pain and difficulties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,711 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    If Lewis Hamilton is incapable of enduring the new physical demands of a Formula 1 car then he has no business wasting a valuable seat.

    It's the same snowflakes who say heading a football causes dementia.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    What you're saying is that the cars have changed and as it stands he's now too old to compete with his younger teammate. That's not unfair comment.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,678 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    The porpoising is easy to resolve by simply increasing the ride height. If Mercedes are really concerned about safety this is what they would do. Instead they have decided that performance is more important than resolving the porpoising.

    Now Mercedes want the rules changed because they can not meet the design challanges that the new rules have presented as well as rival teams have.

    Team mates are always compared to each other as they drive the same car, nothing new here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The new physical demands are unreasonable. But I don't think it's an issue for the FIA, other than to force the teams to sort out the problem by telling the teams that if they can't fix the bouncing then raise the ride height.


    As for your "snowflake" comment, I suggest you read a book and stay away from facebook...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,228 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Mercedes have a duty of care to their drivers for their safety and wellbeing, if they're sacrificing driver comfort for performance then it's simply a Mercedes issue and the FIA should tell them where to go if they campaign for regulation changes to suit them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    He will race the Canadian GP.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FIA should put vibration sensors in the cars and if you go over a certain limit (intensity/duration/etc) then you're black flagged. It would become part of the normal setup process during FP1 to make sure your car is not porposing too much .. if that means raising the ride height so you are slow then tough luck, should have designed a better car.

    I'm sure some drivers are playing it up, particularly Hamilton. But at the same time it is clearly a legit health/safety issue, you can see how bad it is from the cockpit videos. Teams or drivers cannot be trusted to make safety decisions themselves. You can't have an engineer tell a driver 'well we can make the vibration go away but you'll be 1s slower...', because they'll always choose performance even to the detriment of their own health. There's also an element of machismo, nobody wants to be the one to say i'm not driving this. You have to force it on them, as with most safety measures.

    For next year they can look at ammending the regs to make it less of an issue for everyone but right now it would be very unfair for the teams who have managed to make fast cars that don't porpoise excessively.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,430 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Have to wonder if Merc can, or will, just abandon the current car and look at a completely new solution - something more in line with Ferrari or Red Bell. a good chunk of the season done and they are a second off the pace and even that 'performance' is seemingly causing their drivers a lot of issues.

    Their car design is just fundementally flawed, for whatever reason - RB and Ferrari are showing that a very fast car is possible with the current regs, so Merc just need to admit they got it wrong, and pivot away.

    Though, I would guess cost caps mean they possibly can't? Anyone able to guess/inform how locked in they are to the current design for the season/following 3 seasons?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,007 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    The solution to the porposing is simple. Just put springs underneath the car seats that will compensate for the the bouncing. Wolla problem solved. Yes I know I am a genius oh and I agree with the poster who said please do not talk about the race I'm this thread at least untill everyone has had a change to see it ie: after the Channel 4 highlights have been on because not all of us have sky Sports F1 or stream the race live.

    There us a thread for each race so talk about it in there untill then. Not hard to do.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Have read a couple different articles referencing a possible GP in South Africa in the coming years. Hamilton wants it, Max wants it. F1 boss flew to SA on sunday after the race to hold talks with Kyalami owners. Most would prefer a race in Cape Town, but no suitable track and not sure a street race would work, so Johannesburg is the only option.

    Only continent without a race (except for Antartica), so it kinda makes sense.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A street race in Jo'burg would be one of those aberrations that dominate the historical stats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    If it goes to Joburg it will be Kyalami, no chance of a street race. Cant imagine it. Theres little to no features, nothing notable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    South Pole Grand Prix would be fun. Complete the set then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,187 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Brundle agreeing with most sane ppl in that it's up to Mercedes to fix their own problems - "to ask the other teams to change the regulations to help Mercedes is a bit like asking a turkey to vote for Christmas". One of his regular phrases but still a good one. 😂



    He made another point about being from the wrong era of F1 to have too much sympathy for the sore back issues etc - that got me thinking, wasn't there a race at Sao Paulo where Senna's McLaren was stuck in 6th gear or something like that and was absolutely wrecked after it?

    This is the one - had to the helped out of the car and the look on his face just lifting the trophy up.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Sounds like Piastri is close to signing with Williams! Excellent



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,690 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    There's no way Latifi keeps his seat, he seems like a genuine nice fella but just isn't good enough to get Williams point. Williams can't afford to keep finishing tenth in the constructors, need to do something



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