F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

Killinator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211760#Comment_119211760

Agree, the occasional throwback doesn't hurt

Frank Bullitt

I actually wrote my thesis in college on tobacco advertising and subliminal strategies used by companies and teams over the years. Their role in the commercial development of teams, drivers and the sport overall is incredible, not that I support tobacco companies at all, but without their involvement F1 would be very very different.

They should just paint their cars white and be done with it. Why would they go with some of the generally accepted prettiest liveries ever which are generally also associated with success and publicity they got at the time they were current and generate more publicity for themselves. It's almost like they're trying to get attention and eyes on their cars to benefit their sponsors and make money. Silly nostalgia.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211814#Comment_119211814

Nobody said they should paint the cars white. But there is a push to strip paint to save weight so it'll be interesting to see what new innovations they come up with to address that problem.

What's wrong with leaving the past in the past? At one time, those "generally accepted prettiest liveries ever" weren't even invented yet. They used their imagination and invebted them. There's nothing wrong with trying to create history that hasn't even been imagined yet. That's what makes F1 great, not harking to the past.

duploelabs

Doesn't always have to be cigarette liveries to evoke nostalgia. The gulf livery that MacLaren ran with in Monaco last year was amazing, as was the retro Martini livery that Williams had a few years back

guyfo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204808#Comment_119204808

That's like feeling bad for someone with a hangover.... all self inflicted, they can raise the car and stop acting like such children.

Quote from the man himself after qualy: "All the performance is when you get the car low… so we said let's take a beating in our necks and backs to get the car as low as possible for the performance. It's bouncing a little bit more than the other cars."

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212055#Comment_119212055

You're right, he should grow up and just shake off the concussion like a man 🙄

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/fia/status/1537468274639781888?t=eEfyvk1kuifJvMZdM0CRwg&s=19

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guyfo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212111#Comment_119212111

He should grow up and take responsibility for his actions more like. A lesson not to set the car up dangerously next time.

flazio

The silver arrows are only the silver arrows because Mercedes-Benz were the first to strip their paint back to the tin shell of the car.

Sometimes though the brand can actually outgrow the sponsorship. Dark blue with yellow decals and gold alloy wheels. Started by BAT and their 555 brand but is still synonymous with Subaru.

I think this might be the first time since the mid 90s that no Philip Morris logos are on the Ferrari. Even this was one of theirs as a colour association with Marlboro.

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212133#Comment_119212133

The initial steps seem logical, they're just taking steps to force the teams to do what the teams should have been doing themselves to begin with.

The "medium term" solutions will be more interesting, I assume that means 2023 and Mercedes will be pushing hard for active suspension while the teams that developed their cars to the new regulations well will be hoping to be able to evolve and build on them next year as Merc were able to do over 8 seasons from 2014, instead of being forced back to the drawing board to compensate for other team's mistakes.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212133#Comment_119212133

So define a metric and pay attention to the wear on skids and planks.

Then what? Surely they know how involved they want to/need to get???

devnull

Commentators essentially seem to be saying that FIA are in essence making teams with excessive bouncing, to raise the height of the car to stop the bouncing from happening.

They've seen through the charade where teams would rather choose a slightly faster bouncing car than a slower non bouncing car in order to try and pressure a rule change.

Excellent to see them effectively call this out and stop this practice and that the game playing by certain teams is now coming back to haunt them by leaving them even worse off.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212424#Comment_119212424

Fair play to them. They're making the decision to protect the drivers and not the teams. Credit where it's due.

Suggested measures look ok to me so far, I don't like the opening of the gap though, tends not to end there.

dulpit

Mercedes won't be happy. Glad they've taken the sensible approach though...

weisses

Mercedes and Ferarri would suffer the most ... Having to adjust ride height

PsychoPete

The drivers health and safety is the most important thing, if it compromises a bit of performance then so be it

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212144#Comment_119212144

He's a competitor. He'll set up his car for maximum speed whatever the consequences. That's why elite athletes need to pe protected from themselves. I mentioned rugby concussion tests are taken out of the players' hands because they'd almost all choose to play-on in spite of the danger to themselves.

You don't have to like Hamilton to see that he set up his car for maximum speed and endured the pain and not see that as complete professionalism. I imagine it's what they all did because they're top professionals.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212856#Comment_119212856

If he set it up that way he should stop whining about it so

mickdw

Looks like Mercedes have shot themselves in the foot with the exaggerated complaints.

They won't get near the top 10 if set up to satisfy new shock limits.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212957#Comment_119212957

The fact that the drivers set the cars up doesn't stop the pain. It doesn't take away the potential for genuine harm to their backs or brains. They're humans and they need to be protected. The FIA did the right thing by deciding to protect them.

Frank Bullitt

This is a wise play by the FIA, puts the weight very much on the teams to solve it in the immediate.

AMKC

Delighted to see the FIA having common sense and doing the right thing.

mickdw

Assuming nothing changed for this weekend, I expect Hamilton will hop out after this race like a spring chicken and make little of the issue.

I wonder when did he recover from the severe pain and the dragging the leg? About 1 minute after the latest FIA announcement im sure.

I don't doubt it's sore as hell to drive that car but the limp etc after baku was over played big time.

guyfo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212856#Comment_119212856

Seems the FIA agreed with me and will be stepping in to make sure teams like Mercedes don't set their cars up dangerously.

Gamb!t

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119213312#Comment_119213312

He got Acupuncture which helped apparently .

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119213943#Comment_119213943

I thought you said the driver chose the setup? Talking about Hamilton you said:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212144#Comment_119212144

That was you, wasn't it?

The FIA are taking that decision out of the drivers hands to protect the drivers. That's the right decision

guyfo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119214792#Comment_119214792

Are drivers not part of the team now? Mercedes as a whole were fine with running their car dangerously and then had Lewis cry about it after so they could try get their way and neuter the other teams.

That backfired and now they will be held responsible for their actions, proper order.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119214873#Comment_119214873

Ah, you said the driver should take responsibility for their setup (regarding porpoising). The FIA have removed responsibility for the setup from the driver. The two aren't aligned and I really don't think the FIA agreed with you.

Lots of posters agreed the FIA should regulate the amount of porpoising by removing the decision from the driver. Maybe you said that elsewhere but the quite above is pretty pointed saying the drivers (Hamilton specifically) should grow up take responsibility for his setup.