Father and son die at Isle of man TTs

I am giving it as an example of something which was illegal which only directly impacted the person making the choice. (It is still illegal to assist someone to commit suicide though). Heroin is also illegal, even though it can be said that it only directly impacts those who inject it. Are you not aware that it is illegal to assist someone to commit suicide? Even though it is their choice? (See Fleming v. Ireland)

It's not that difficult of a concept. Things which hurt only a person making a decision can still be made illegal and there can be valid reasons for doing so.

If I'm an employer, I have to abide by Health and Safety standards. I can't simply just notify my staff that they waive all their statutory rights in a blanket manner, and that I waive all my obligations, by them choosing to continue to work for me. Even though it would be their choice to do so or not.

Fair enough. If you can't understand the basic concept that people can be prevented from doing dangerous things they choose to, then it's not my role to spend time explaining it to you.

Well then try to get your head around the alternate one of heroin which I also gave

I have been involved in Motorsport for going on 27 years now as a competitor, also on the marshalling and safety side. I have family who are involved. While all car related and no where nearly as dangerous as the bikes., I have crashed, witnessed family members crash and been on events when competitors have died. I wold never not compete or be involved.

The motorbike competitors are a different breed again and have a much much higher exposure to danger. But I would never ask them to stop.

For those who aren't familiar with the sport or more particularly the mindset of the riders check out the Documentary "Road" based around the Dunlop family. An amazing and emotional watch

I would agree that the Irish road race scene will probably fizzle. The culture is different here and motorcycling culture is treated wit suspicion here and seen as thuggish.

I was party to a meeting for organising a motorsporting event where the roads policing Garda and people from the Council events and traffic departments were present, and they all seemed opposed to it. Saying things like it would encourage recklessness with respect to road safety, it attracts a rough/troublesome and hard drinking crowd, they bring crowds but they spend nothing in the local area, etc. All those types of comments. Basically the were all looking for things to say to dismiss or rubbish the proposal.

In the end it never got off the ground anyway and it was something being led by someone who is well established and very well known, successfull and respected in the Irish motorsport scene.

I've been there and completed several laps at full speed (for me) of the Mountain, I wouldn't race the full course but have nothing but respect for those that do, it's quite a test.

Setback spectators from roadside where possible. Allow a few areas where spectators can get right close to action yet still be 100 percent protected via barrier positioning.

Place large stands on inside of bends where the possibility of biker flying into crowd is near impossible.

Ban metal crowd control barriers from roadside. There are only suited to control airport queues. Proper secure barriers should be installed to protect both rider and spectator.

Have no roadside spectators immediately after jumps, bumps or on outside of bends.

Do not rely on spectators to wave down competitors when accidents happen. It's one of the highest speed events in the world, get their act together and get a good marshalling and flag system in place. I realise it's a long course but you cannot run this without using all available safety systems.

Undertake a major refit of barrier systems in the large viewing areas where barriers can be easily then reinstalled year on year in a safe manner.

It's quite a safe sport for the spectators I thought, comparatively at least? There has been a few incidents in recent years but in most cases, the facilities were found to have been setup incorrectly versus their own requirements as far as I recall.

The bikes are getting faster and faster each year and the PPE / trackside safety equipment can't keep up but even halving the speeds again and people would likely end up still dying.

Re the motivation, Guy Martin explains it as when you've got used to driving flat out at 200mph on a narrow winding country road, everything else is tame in comparison. He reckons him going on a roller coaster is about as exciting as riding a lawnmower to you and me so these guys are hooked to the adrenaline and can't get it from much else!

Fantastically skilled and brave riders, I like watching it on TV but I've been twice and while the atmosphere around the place is great if you're into bikes, the actual spectating for me gets boring after half an hour as it's very repetitive (although still amazing to see)!

Marshall posts are open to the track in the direction opposite to the direction of travel. All motorsport is like this.

Residents standing on footpath outside their front door is not good enough. Surely they can agree something to prevent random movements of residents during race.

Re crash predictability, of course bike can came back across road but it's not going to come backwards against the direction of travel for example so a raised viewing area inside a corner is probably 1000 times safer than viewing from side of road after a bend.

How would you feel about a hypothetical compromise proposal whereby they close the road for the racers, but forbid spectators. I'm not asking you about the logistics of that. I'm asking about you, as a racer, who doesn't care about the spectators. You'd still get to race.