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Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    The thing is Covid put many into a situation were they couldn't work or find work. The concept that this happens to other people all the time is something they are unable or unwilling to comprehend. Its easier to look down and pass judgement than look up at the policy makers it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    My apologies if the truth hurts. Head for the play sand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Unfortunately despite the facts, The Departments own reporting, anecdotal evidence, trying to explain and indeed common sense, there will remain those who think Ireland is awash with SW cheats, Free money is thrown at people and the admin of our SW system is a Basket case.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    😂

    Jangle off to work in the morning with the green flag wrapped around him. Kisses wife on the cheek and she looks him in awe as he goes out the door: "There he goes, my everyday hero, with the weight of the nation on his shoulders. Not like those scum across the green with their trampolines and medical cards."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Lol, caught out so many times and yet, still in Denial, you've actually been on my ignore list for quite some time but I do get a slight bit of amusement (only slight) at some of your extraordinary & bizzare contributions. Not at all surprising you turned up on this Thread .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not quite , just hard to forget some of your contributions.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Juran




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,821 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I know four adults of working-age on long-term welfare.

    2x JSA, 2x DA

    JSA1: definite fraud, never looks for work, seems to never be challenged, is busy with a nixer, earns maybe 40k gross, has received 100,000 in student grants, drives an AUDI Q5.

    DA1 is wife of JSA1, had cancer years ago, is not disabled in my opinion, but manages to get DA

    JSA2: I'm not so sure here, nice fella, has had problems with drink, great golfer, handicap = 2

    DA2 has a mild mental illness, has worked in the past, but wouldn't be great in holding down a job


    For three of them it's a lifestyle choice, one has a mild mental illness / awkward / difficult to employ.

    You could argue that one, maybe two, of the four are genuine.


    Now, I'm not unusual, so this scenario must be repeated in every town. So I suggest (buy obviously can't prove) that tens of thousands of working-age adults should not be on welfare.

    Now, this is not the same as fraud. JSA1 is outright fraud, as the nixer is not declared, but the other three are not really defrauding the system.

    It's just that they should not be on these schemes, it's not fraud, it's more softness by the system and politicians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    These are in every town and village. We have people who are in denial here and see no rational.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so most if not all of those cases are clearly dealing with complex psychological issues, as some studies have already shown.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    If you're making stuff up, it's probably for the best you don't over-egg your tall tales.

    40k cash in hand "nixer" (If any significant sum of this lands in a bank account, Revenue know something is up and you will be found out) and driving an Audi? Why didn't you put him in a mink coat and top-hat altogether.

    And as tall tales go, given your aversion to all this, I'm guessing you've done the right thing and reported him? Right? Right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,821 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Not a word of a lie.

    I am related to him.

    I have not reported him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It seems that there are more and more people online who are more and more right wing, but I think it's just a tiny minority of people who spend way too much time on the internet looking for these opportunities to sh1t on people who they feel are beneath them.

    In my life, I know several people who are/were long term unemployed

    As others have already said, a lot of it is down to mental health and self confidence and not being able to pull themselves out a mess they find themselves in

    I know a young person who never did very well in school, was quiet and had a few friends but lacked a lot of confidence, the kind of fellah who could do a job but couldn't get a job because he was just deeply afraid of change, he liked stability and was used to living at home and having the same routine. He never did well away from home, dropped out of college, tried to travel, lived abroad but even then he just stayed with people he knew and hardly left the house. Was on the dole for a number of years, finally met a guy who was able to get him a job in the place he was working and since then, he's been working like a trooper, doing really well and growing in confidence, but I know that if he ever has to leave that job, there's a good chance he could find himself back in that same place he was before.

    Another guy I know was working in a factory, was made redundant a few years ago and took his redundancy and went to live with his elderly father who was living on his own in a rural isolated area, the plan was to do up the house and help care for his father, who then got sick and went into a nursing home and he spent all his money on repairs and refurbishing the old family home and now he's suffering the effects of isolation himself and has some mental health issues (which he doesn't recognise and won't seek help for (if help was even possible)

    Another fellah was a carpenter and a stonemason but didn't have the official 'qualifications' and had been doing odd jobs and working on a family farm for years until there was a row with his brother (brother screwed him over for some work he did) and now they're not speaking. He's basically retired, has no real intention of getting a job and physically wouldn't be able to do any construction work full time anyway...

    In other words life is complex, there are reasons why people end up on 'the dole' long term

    Just because there are jobs available doesn't mean everyone is in a position to take them, and the state doesn't have the ability to work through the complex reasons why any one person may be long term unemployed.

    65k long term unemployed out of a workforce of 2.5 million, that's about 2%

    There are reasons for each of those people to be on the dole. Some are tragic, some are just temporary life circumstances that most people go through at some point and go on to become fully productive members of society. The percentage of these people who are 'life long dole scroungers' is way below 1% of the labour force, and of these people, would you hire them to do a job? If they're that lazy or manipulative even if they could physically work, if you can't trust them to do it carefully or honestly, then maybe it's just worth taking the hit and paying them their dole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    In my local that's all they do be talking about..

    How much is the 208 Jobseekers being raised by, and when.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, those with complex psychological issues generally gravitate towards maladaptive activities such as alcohol consumption!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    DA is the holy grail of social welfare. Plenty of people try to get it, and fail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I know a guy who gets a burger allowance. That's what he calls it.

    Extra SW payment, purpose being to take his kid out for a weekly meal.. he's separated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i some how doubt its actually called a burger allowance, but extra welfare makes sense, as pup confirmed.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    The number of thanks for the OP reflect the extreme right wing bias of this website in recent years.

    Youse obviously aren't too busy in your jobs, if you have time to be posting far right agitprop on the net. If I was your boss, I'd fire most of ye for stealing my time.

    There is no such thing as dole, it is called jobseekers allowance or jobseekers benefit.

    All welfare allowances should be significantly increased by 25% or so. They have not kept pace with inflation particularly in recent years. One exception is the old age pension which should be means tested. Many wealthy pensioners get it but don't need it. Of course the latter will never happen as all the main political parties are beholden to the elderly, the most selfish and self-interested generation, who demanded the country was locked down for two years due to their neurotic self-obsession.

    IF there are so many jobs, explain to me why I am not even getting to the interview stage. I am a qualified finance professional with a lot of experience. I am being serious here, genuinely struggling to find employment. I think possibly I am viewed as too old but I am only 48.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    No matter how hard people push that narrative. There is no such thing as free houses. I say this as a home owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    We need to give monetary assistance to people. We base who gets what on certain criteria. I don't see a problem with the concept. Are there chancers taking advantage, sure.

    Why do these threads always come in heavy with stories but claim to acknowledge, while ignoring, the people who need it genuinely? Soft targets?

    We have complete wasters in politics getting a few pensions and nobody does **** all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    It's interesting to me that the thing that grinds the gears of the OP and 40 others is the mere suggestion of a measly extra €200 a year (less than a euro a day) for jobseekers. Not a word from the OP about the huge levels of proven corruption involving, as you say, politicians. Of the fact modern Ireland is basically a tax scam run for the benefit of US multinationals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Yes, the MNC's who hardly pay any tax when they should be paying billions, plus the farmers with their multi-billion welfare scheme called CAP (or whether its successor is called, I forget). But you don't mean those, do you, French Toast? You prefer picking on easy targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    People aren’t bitter, it’s the thought of the taxes they pay from working to fund the Mickey rock and roll lifestyle.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I would oppose this, speaking as someone who would have benefited from it (formerly on high income now on jobseekers). Reducing benefit for the long term unemployed is the opposite of an incentive to them to get jobs, it is more likely to act as an incentive for them to either turn to crime or go on disability. Long term unemployed in some cases have significant criminal records, I am not defending it but in some cases even if they have reformed their ways they struggle to get an employer to give them a break.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    A rock and roll lifestyle on €208 a week? Lol. Maybe the welfare are giving the 'dole scrounging scumbags' time machines, you'd have to go back to about 1978 to live a rock and roll lifestyle on that money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    A logical, rational, sensible post.


    Down with that sort of thing, we'll have none of that here!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Very insightful, I'm presuming your reasonably close to these dastardly folks given you seem to know all about their details, even payment types., lifestyle choices etc , I sense its causing you untold trauma.

    I am curious though, your Defo these frauds are taking place , one wonders , which such an obviously sincere concern about the state being defrauded why you haven't reported this outrageous & scurrilous behaviour, there's a number of ways you can do this and anonymously, no one including these appalling desperados need know who reported them.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine using a pejorative racist term to describe people and think you are taking the moral high ground? Yikes...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    And I agree whole heartedly as a home owner also 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Take a look at the bigger pic here now before you lol any more. Take a factory worker taking home €450 a week. Taking fuel, car running costs maybe childcare that worker isn’t coming out much better than the €208 rock and roller. So lol that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Well said and I wish you well re Jobs situation.

    The Thanks you referred too are undoubtedly from the small cohort who specialise and thrive on nasty threads like this , nothing to be proud of 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Oh yeah, the Gams of this world will get a hearing at the UN some day soon for all the racism thrown their way. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    And I suppose you think this is SW recipients fault, mother of God your arguments are becoming surreal 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh I wouldn't say they would.

    I just love the hypocritical aspect.

    I don't think anyone should be insulted based on the colour of their skin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Your clearly very, very, very Bitter

    Who's Paul 🙄 and you said earlier people are not Bitter , curious that , one has to wonder what drives the drivel being posted here, maybe its hate with a mixture of bitterness, it's certainly not warmth, respectful or even understanding, just ill informed codswallop.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5



    This is basically the right wing agenda and strategy, set different branches of the low paid/working class against each other. Unfortunately it is somewhat successful, although not as successful as in the US and UK as most Irish people have a moral and social conscience.

    The €450 a week factory worker is not rich and privileged. The €208 a week jobseeker is not rich and privileged. Both have more in common with each other than with the 1%'rs.

    So it's interesting that you and people of your ideology want to set them in conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Did he say it was their fault? No he didn't. He's just pointing out the fact that raising the dole or giving a summer bonus is unfair to some working people who aren't that much better off than someone on the dole. those on the dole also get an extra 40 hours leisure time each week



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Yeah, I really wish I was severely mentally or physically ill so that I could qualify for the long term disability, I could live the rock and roll lifestyle on the €203 a week in my wheelchair.

    I heard of one fella who bought a castle in the Riveria due to him getting the €203 a week because of his schizophrenia and cancer, the lucky b*****d.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My apologies.

    I thought you were using the term to describe conservative middle aged white men who had ruddy faces the colour of gammon.

    When you used the term, what did you mean?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭BohsCeltic


    What about us that are on Disability Allowance. Do I want to work? Of course I do. Can I work? No, not at the moment.

    I'm probably down over 2k per month from when I was working so I'd love to be back.

    I am not alone either, these types of threads always come up on forums but people forget that, it's pretty boring, but sure what else would I be doing apart from replying to this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I never said I want to put them into conflict. Don’t be staying lies now here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Well why the comparison between someone earning X and €208 exactly, the inference being either people are choosing to live on €208 PW or perhaps they are somehow responsible for the cost of living crisis, why not just discuss the cost of living crisis without constantly trying to put the boot in 🤔, actually, I can answer that, they can't.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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