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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,103 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    What happens when Russia completely cuts Ukraine off from the sea, they look fairly close to doing it looking at the maps, can Ukraine function much longer after that?



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    Are they not effectively cut off from the sea for months now? While they hold the coast line, the area is mined and not much if any traffic getting through, hence no grain exports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    Read the news.The Russian fleet has retreated and Turkey is to begin mine clearing operations in the black sea.Land locked Ukraine is a fantasy now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,103 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I am, as someone said earlier the news is conflicting. Looking at the current maps it doesn't look like fantasy. Russia is nearly in control of all the coast. Odessa looks like the last piece of the jigsaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    Russia have not moved west of Kherson toward Odessa since the beginning of the war.Putin and co look at Odessa as the last piece of the jigsaw but it's a fantasy now as Odessa will soon be safe because of the grain corridor that will be in place in the next few weeks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Have they really retreated or have they just moved out of range of harpoon missiles?

    What about Snake Island?

    I can't see the Russians willingly allowing the grain to flow, that would defeat the "food blackmail agenda" that they pretend they don't have.

    I think a Western show of force, on behalf of global food supply, will be necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The food card is an incredible ace for Russia. It's the one way they can turn the world upside down in their favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I think it will be their undoing, it justifies action being taken to secure food supply. That action could involve naval protection, in which case the Russians would be in a lose - lose situation. They would have to either allow it or incur the wrath of Western nations if they attacked any UN or NATO vessel.

    A disaster for Russia all round, naval protection of grain export would have to include a presence on the docks of Odessa.

    Russia has fcuked up in ways that are currently beyond our imagination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It certainly comes with risk but it is the one thing that can reshape the world in a way that benefits Russia and China and that can create a crisis that western Europe might not survive.


    He has nothing extra to lose and everything to gain.


    Besides a lot of the damage is already done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,486 ✭✭✭zv2


    Odesa is a bridge too far. The Russians are having difficulties holding on to Kherson.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,498 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Difficult to hold onto things when nobody wants you there.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Field east


    Maybe yes, in the very short term. One has to win the war which consists of a lot of battles - including the sanctions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I’d say it’s more the humanitarian fall out that the evil bastard Putin perceives as an ace. Huge refugee crisis at Europes borders and huge crisis in Africa 100 times worse than Ethiopia in 1984 will turn western hearts ,minds and money away from Ukraine and towards Africa. Imagine a city like Lagos with 20+ million people running out of food.

    Lukashenko had no bother playing with people lives leaving them to freeze on the borders of Poland before Christmas probably an idea cooked up by himself and Putin. Diverting attention from the military build up. A few starving millions in Africa would not cost them a thought to divert attention and resources from the war in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,486 ✭✭✭zv2


    Apparently there are 1500 Belarusians fighting for Ukraine. Their logic is to defeat the Russians in Ukraine, then at home.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    Retreating and moving out of range are the same thing in my view.This means Russia are worried about anti-ship weapons.If Russia wait until Odessa is demined and then attack they will be hit hard.HIMARS will be available in 2/3 weeks which makes an attack even harder.The sinking of Putins ships is something he can't hide at home and it's a big blow to Russian pride.

    Putin can't control Odessa.Turkey have control over the black sea exit and have power over Putin in that sense.Turkey and others want the grain corridor open and putin has no ace here.The black sea fleet can be sunk if the food crisis worsens as USA will send missiles that will hit the fleet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Dissent with Putin in Russia is still increasing. Putin's iron fist is fast slipping.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Russian Defense minister Shoigu claims control over Sviatohorsk in Donetsk region

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,833 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Even if it's true, which I doubt, just the fact that the Minister of Defence announces capturing a town of 4,000 people as an achievement, shows how irrelevant the Russian army has become as a fighting farce.

    I grew up in a time where we were constantly reminded that if it wasn't for the Americans stationed here, thousands of Russian tanks would drive all the way to the Atlantic coast.

    Instead we now have the Russian defence minister proud that they now have control of Monasterevin, Kilcoole, some town that wouldn't even be in the 100 biggest towns in Ireland.

    Oh, how far we've come from taking Kiev in 3 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,712 ✭✭✭Rawr


    What's more is that, if true, they've also been held on the other side of the nearby railway for weeks, unable to advance, and can now brag about managing to creep forward a tiny bit. Desperately trying to find some kind of "win" to report to the Boss, no matter how tiny it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    enough of the propagandizing, Russia controls 20% of Ukraine right now, its not like they are a paper tiger

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There certainly is a burning down the world approach to it.


    His take is that Russia will keep the mass of people on the move out.


    Russian assets in Europe will start talking about solidarity and enrichment and doctors and engineers.


    Ten million on the move next spring would be possible, it could be treble, will the EU do what needs to be done by to stop it. It may happen for years, this is a multi year food crisis


    Putin knows it will not.


    He is going all in and Russia and Western Europe might be in shi8 after it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,712 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Much of that, beyond the previously held Dombas and Crimea, was lightly populated territory along the Russian frontier, which they easily could roll over before meeting opposition. Most population centers have been a hard fight for them and have typically delt the Russians severe casualties. Events on the ground illustrate an armed forces that has lost most of it's professional ability, especially with many of their more experienced elements being lost in battle including a surprisingly high number of Generals. (I'm starting to wonder how much of the pre-war top brass is actually left now).

    Facing them is a highly motivated defending army with a considerable amount of support and an apparent culture for intelligent warfare. They may be fewer in number, but they appear to be much better in battle than the poorly disciplined troops that have been put forward.

    Based on much of what has been seen so far in this war, to suggest that the Russian military are somehow not a paper tiger would lean more into the realm of pro-Russia propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    "Paper tiger" is the English translation of a Chinese phrase referring to something that appears threatening but is actually weak

    to suggest that saying "Russia is not weak" is pro-Russian propaganda is in fact delusional

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,833 ✭✭✭✭josip


    You must be embarrassed by now having to continuously post drivel about the embarrassment that is your army. Mighty Russia controls 20% of the adjacent country that supposedly wasn't even a proper country at the outset of the 'operation'. 4% increase in just over 100 days glorious komrades! Ukraine will be under our complete control as early as 2042*.



    * Assuming we can continue to find parts for the T-62s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


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    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Ireland may be a militarily neutral country but our government are on shortlist condemning the Russian actions as "Genocide". Its easy to see the vast majority of the population of Ireland also support Ukraine. Our stance to this conflict is the furthest thing from neutral. So don't try lump yourself into us under the guise of being "neutral", Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,833 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I doubt very much you're a putinbot, although there are others here and on the Ukraine thread about which I cannot say the same. But you've clearly chosen a side. So it's 'your side'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,495 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Indeed, the government have pointed out that the issue of Irish neutrality is rather misleading. We are merely prohibited 'by law' from sending weapons or troops to a war zone but are totally free to adopt a political and moral position on any war and have chosen to ally ourselves with Ukraine and against Russia (after the illegal invasion).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    About right 😂


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    Easterners getting it right:





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Russian Defense Ministry Shoigu announced establishing road connection between Russia and Crimea via parts of Ukraine, and water supply to Crimea

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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