Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

TitianGerm · 03-06-2022 07:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155227#Comment_119155227

Why are they paying 95% less?

slave1 · 03-06-2022 07:52PM

Unkel is expressing the kW cost of SuC usage into minutes, bit of poetic licence to get the slow draw point across

jusmeig · 04-06-2022 06:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119154598#Comment_119154598

You might argue they are blocking the one to the left due to the fact they have "spilled over" into that stall. People who don't want their doors dinged getting out look away now.

Fitz II · 04-06-2022 06:40AM

Those bikes have small batteries (15.5kwh) wont be there long really, has fast charging so should be pulling more. Geesh lads learn to share your toys. Remember your lords mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. All these photos are like some kind of angry mental tetris you are playing so show how if the charger were full some humble tesla owner would be getting blocked from their birth right. They are not chill the beans.

Unkle the chargers are not full...its revenue that tesla otherwise would not be getting. If you want to go down the maximize Tesla profits rabbit hole its a dark place.....

TitianGerm · 04-06-2022 07:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156486#Comment_119156486

They're not spilled over on any stall. The 500 is charging off the left stall and parked between the middle and left stall so as not to block anyone else.

There's a Tesla charging on the right and the bike is far enough away that there's plenty of space between it and the Tesla.

TitianGerm · 04-06-2022 07:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155470#Comment_119155470

So they are actually paying the same or more then per KW than the Tesla?

unkel · 04-06-2022 10:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156515#Comment_119156515

I'm all for the transition to electric driving and opening the SuC network to non-Teslas helps with this. So I'm all for it!

Provided it brings Tesla extra profit AND it doesn't go at the cost of current and future Tesla owners though, that would be a commercial mistake.

That's why I would propose some sort of a two-tier system. Make the plebs pay as much as they would pay at the competition (Ionity) per kWh rather than the cheap Tesla rates. Make them pay a monthly subscription, leave at least half or three quarters of the SuC stalls for Tesla only (depending on the number of stalls at the SuC), just spewing out some thoughts here.

Not saying any of this because I currently own a Tesla. It is quite likely my next car will not be a Tesla and I will be down to being a pleb again myself 😂

jusmeig · 04-06-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156558#Comment_119156558

Ah sry I thought the 500 was not charging and over the line on the space to the left.

cannco253 · 04-06-2022 04:20PM

https://twitter.com/elbilforeningen/status/1532252639513219072?s=21&t=6Y0KzZ5KQZuhElNXENeqcQ

I haven’t seen any official comments from Tesla on the pilot scheme.

Maybe we’ll hear something at this event.

innrain · 04-06-2022 06:09PM

Did a pit stop at Birdhill this afternoon. 3 model 3s one not plugged and 2 ICEs parked. I think I paid 40c/kWh.The non Tesla chargers were both free when I arrived then an MG5 was connecting when I was leaving.

mfceiling · 04-06-2022 06:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158673#Comment_119158673

Birdhill always seems to attract at least one arsehole in an ICE.

Damien360 · 04-06-2022 06:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158782#Comment_119158782

Location, location location. Quite a few if not all the chargers are very close to the door of the premises. Just like your local Tesco, those spaces close to the door attract the permanently lazy. The location was likely chosen for ease of connection to the large interconnector required for the power. The one on M9 close to Kilcullen is cursed with the lazy parking in the 3 spaces for chargers also. Has a McD just inside the door to attract more lazy parking.Tesla seem to always take space down the back of car parks.

mfceiling · 04-06-2022 07:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158830#Comment_119158830

The ones in Birdhill are furthest away from the door!!

mfceiling · 04-06-2022 07:45PM

Screenshot_2022-06-04-20-43-01-059_com.google.android.apps.maps.jpg

Far away!!

Laviski · 04-06-2022 08:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159113#Comment_119159113

there is a fr ted joke there somewhere.

Sabre Man · 06-06-2022 01:31PM

Birdhill needs more parking spaces.

cannco253 · 14-06-2022 12:36PM

First German Tesla supercharger opened up to all today.

Limburg an der Lahn on the way to Frankfurt!

Fingleberries · 14-06-2022 03:17PM

As a random thought, or does anyone form the UK have knowledge of this.

I have a vague recollection that there's a law in the UK requiring fast chargers to offer Tap&Pay. Does that mean that when the Tesla SuC network officially opens over there (not the current pilot) that they will have to implement Tap&Pay too?

OK. It will likely be at the non subscription rate, sure it might also not be as quick as plug and charge for Tesla drivers. But might get the non tesla charging session starting sooner, eh?

This might, in turn, benefit us here

AndyBoBandy · 14-06-2022 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119202058#Comment_119202058

That rule might only apply if the charger installer used state funding to help pay for the installation.. which isn't the case with currently installed Tesla chargers.

wassie · 14-06-2022 05:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119202058#Comment_119202058

There is no such legislation yet. But legislation covering standardising the payment methods to make it easier to pay is scheduled this year (possibly may roll over into next year).

It wont necessarily be simply requiring contactless payment as you have suggested. More than likely it will cover a range of payment methods including phone payments as well as unified apps under consideration.

This is all part of the UK electric vehicle infrastructure strategy document published a couple of months ago. Essentially its the guiding document for drafting of new legislation and policy development relating to such.

Too often, the charging network lets people down. To accelerate the transition to EVs, we must ensure that drivers across the country can have confidence and trust that public chargepoints will be easy to find, easy to use and fairly priced. One of our key priorities is to address issues with reliability, ease of payment and locating the right chargepoint for consumers’ needs.

We expect to bring in new legislation this year which will improve drivers’ experiences using the public charging network. People will be able to compare the price of charging across networks quickly; they will be able to pay for their charge easily, without relying on multiple apps. They will also be able to rely on chargepoints being operational because of rigorous new legal obligations on chargepoint operators.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-electric-vehicle-infrastructure-strategy#full-publication-update-history

Its a very comprehensive document and worth a read for anyone interested. It shows there is a very large gap between the policy reponse of our govt and the UK when it comes to a comprehensive EV charging infrastructure strategy.

Suggest looking at page 40 titled "Electric vehicle charging will fit around people’s individual needs".

Puts forward examples & solutions I had never even contemplated, such as the potential for residential owners to 'rent' out access to their private charger by arranging the charging and payment via a mobile app.

Fingleberries · 14-06-2022 05:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119202637#Comment_119202637

Thanks for the clarification - this is exactly the information what I was looking for (even though I might have muddled some details in my mind)

zg3409 · 14-06-2022 09:46PM

When Irish esb installed chargers in mainland UK they bolted on credit card readers to the outside of the 50kW chargers. Presumably this was a requirement in that case. All later installs in ROI never got such an option. Easygo do have touch to pay on most 50kW chargers.

I expect the UK standard might just end up offering a more expensive roaming app option rather than physically fitting a reader to every charger. It gets relatively expensive. We may end up with different pricing depending on which app we use to pay, which is not ideal.

slave1 · 14-06-2022 10:22PM

With Tesla, it’s the Tesla App only

ELM327 · 15-06-2022 09:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204135#Comment_119204135

I assume that was part of the specific tender that Ecars won, as opposed to legislation

wassie · 15-06-2022 12:47PM

Correct.

Here is exactly what the Government Response to the 2021 Consultation on the Consumer Experience at Public Chargepoints.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/the-consumer-experience-at-public-electric-vehicle-chargepoints

Suggest Reading p17-20.

It is more nuanced that 'a single payment method', because there are a range of different charging infrastructure as well as varied user requirements (eg consumer vs fleet).

This is (in part) the requirement:

We will require new public chargers above 7.1 kW to have a payment method available either per chargepoint or per site that is easy to use and familiar to as many people as possible. It must have an available physical, non-proprietary method of payment that does not require a payee’s mobile or internet connection. The payment method must also be compliant with the AFIR 2017 ad hoc requirement which ensures a consumer can use a chargepoint without having to enter into a pre-existing contract. This requirement will come into effect immediately after the legislation is laid.

This in relation to the Tesla network.

A proprietary network, a chargepoint network open only to specific car manufacturers,which opens their existing rapid chargepoints to be used by other EV consumers on a site-by-site basis must retrofit and provide the minimum payment standard within 12 months of the individual network site becoming public. Subsequent individual sites on the network will have 12 months from opening for public use.

And this on 'Roaming'

There is currently no payment solution which allows consumers to take advantage of different payment platforms and subscriptions across the majority of networks. This is particularly important for fleet vehicles who cannot rely solely on ad hoc payment. We want to see roaming solutions develop to support the electrification of fleets. Currently software fleet solutions for paying at chargepoints are fragmented and some chargepoint operators do not work together or with third party providers.

To summarise - There is more to this that Im not going to summarise here.

If you are interested in this, inform yourself by reading the pages I have noted above.

liamog · 15-06-2022 01:09PM

Haven't they triggered the 2017 AFIR legislation and will be required to provide some level of ad-hoc payment capability before 12 months have passed?

wassie · 15-06-2022 01:26PM

Quite possibly. I havent looked into it yet. I also stand to be corrected on anything written above as Im certainly no expert on this matter.

AndyBoBandy · 15-06-2022 01:31PM

Athenry being commissioned today, painted tomorrow and hopefully open on Friday.

only 4 units though due to power limitations at the site as well as damage to one of the cabinets….. which is awaiting parts…

coming soon……

ELM327 · 15-06-2022 02:30PM

That post above would be pretty clear to me that Tesla need to fit a physical payment method at each site.

This is (in part) the requirement:

We will require new public chargers above 7.1 kW to have a payment method available either per chargepoint or per site that is easy to use and familiar to as many people as possible. It must have an available physical, non-proprietary method of payment that does not require a payee’s mobile or internet connection. The payment method must also be compliant with the AFIR 2017 ad hoc requirement which ensures a consumer can use a chargepoint without having to enter into a pre-existing contract. This requirement will come into effect immediately after the legislation is laid.

This in relation to the Tesla network.

A proprietary network, a chargepoint network open only to specific car manufacturers,which opens their existing rapid chargepoints to be used by other EV consumers on a site-by-site basis must retrofit and provide the minimum payment standard within 12 months of the individual network site becoming public. Subsequent individual sites on the network will have 12 months from opening for public use.

wassie · 15-06-2022 03:52PM

Yes but doesnt solve the roaming issue for fleet operators.

This is a big issue in the push to switch for electrication of commercial/company vehicles, as they ultimately provide vehicles for the second hand market through turnover.

Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

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