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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    There was an American doctor/scientist that has done research and wrote an article about it a few years ago as soon as he made it public they found his body floating in a river in North Carolina..

    All the more reason to keep spreading the word! They need to learn that if they kill one.....WE MULTIPLY EXPONENTIALLY!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Well I was chatting with a guy this evening and he's working in pharma and he's a scientist. He told me he didn't take it either because of the fact they're new and they don't know the long term results.

    He's not antivaxx but hesitant. He said if he took one he'd wait until he's older or he was sure that what he's putting is an attenuated vaccine or something like that. But he says the thing is weakening and he's quite healthy anyhow. He's a bit of a hippy so he trusts nature more than anything.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Buzz, you're just pumping out shite from facebook now. It seems like a step down from twitter.


    Why are you dumping this stuff out when no one takes it seriously? Why keep doing it when it only serves to make you and your fellow conspiracy theorists look more and more unhinged and unable to do any original thought?


    And again, you're straight out lying by repeating the claim that people were saying the vaccine was 100% safe. People have told you guys repeatedly that this isn't what we're claiming.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    If you were born before 1989, your chance of having a chronic illness

    is 12%. If you were born after 1989, your chance of having a chronic illness.

    is 54%. Guess what happened in the late 80's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


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    The time is now to fight back.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unsourced stats from twitter. Seems legit.

    Did you look into those figures at all Buzz? Do any kind of fact checking or research? Or just believed what you were told to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    The more you study how chemicals from synthetic pharmaceutical drugs affect the human body, the more you start to realize where the rapidly growing rates of autoimmune disease, cancers and genetic disorders are coming from. It's a perfect money making slavery system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    I had all my vaccines by the late 80's lol

    Well I had to get a hep vaccine there a few years ago, goes with the job I'm in.

    But other than that I hope I'm out of the brackets you mention.

    I head people before suggesting that all these issues you brought up are due to vaccines etc

    It could be true, I don't know anyone who vaccinated their kid's for covid. I wouldn't do it either. There's no long term results.

    Worse again is parents lining their kid's up to test the vaccines for something that's harmless.

    They really went to town on kids pushing something that's supposed to protect them from that won't cause them harm.

    Long covid I'm still a bit sceptical about that one to be honest.



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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol. Says the man literally spamming shite told to him from obvious grifters like a robot.


    So, you guys are back to claiming that all vaccines are deadly and are causing huge amounts of diseases. Cool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


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    Why wait until its your loved one that suffers and dies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    The defensive excuse presented is a fake use of scientism suggesting causation is not correlation when liability is displaced/shifted onto anyone else but their "treatments" are evidence of cause and effect. What has changed is the inability to see the revolving door of biotech ceos installed in government agencies and how legislation or emergency authorization has been used to enable fraud. It's the grift of allopathic medicine and snake oil of big pharma wealthy enough to buy influence while disguising it as benevolent.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol. Buzz, what's gotten into you tonight? You're spamming up a storm.

    Thanks though for making it very clear what anti-vaxxers are really like.

    Gonna be hard for the folks "just asking questions" to justify all of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


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    to the scum that deserve it



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lol. This is the cringiest one yet.

    It's not very cowboy to mindlessly parrot other people's words.

    And when is this day supposed to come? What things will you do?

    Why did you not do these things before a huge portion of the population was vaccinated with a vaccine you think is super dangerous?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Stephane Bancel, CEO of Moderna, speaking on a WEF panel - Equitable Responses to Ending the Pandemic

    https://www.weforum.org/videos/davos-annual-meeting-2022-equitable-responses-to-ending-the-pandemic-original

    I am in the process of throwing 30 million doses into the garbage because nobody wants them. We have a big demand problem.

    Comments at 25 minutes in.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So let's go through this list. Autism has seen an increase cause it's accepted as a spectrum. Historically, we tended to focus on non verbal but now it's far broader. Very much so a good thing as it allows for greater supports. No actual change in the numbers who have it realistically.

    Learning disorders etc. We historically ignored them if we could. Eg dyslexia, dyspraxia or ADD would have been viewed as an unruly student and that was it. In more extreme cases, the child would be institutionalized.



    Diabetes is increasing globally however no link between any vaccine has been found. So nothing on that front.


    Asthma, allergies and autoimmune diseases... Plenty of these are likely to be environmental. Eg declining air quality


    Cancer, we're getting increases for a mix of reasons. Environmental and living to a far older age. We've also effectively eliminated cancers with the likes of the HPV vaccines.


    So some things you have listed have shown a degree of increase. Others are simply you being ignorant of a topic. Links with vaccines have also been researched and still none has ever been found.... So at this point, we can comfortably say that vaccines have nothing to do with any of the above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Straight to the point, 30 million mRNA vaccines thrown out. People don't want mRNA Vaccines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I don’t think people care that they are mRNA vaccines. It’s more why would people want to take a vaccine developed for a virus variant that no longer exists. Especially when the current variants are very mild.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because the vaccines are effective in reducing the severity of the symptoms.

    It seems more like people are simply buying into misinformation and bullshit like the claims that Buzzer was making.


    Gonna guess that the local anti-vaxxers are going to pretend he didn't say any of that...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    No, the people who are at risk from the virus have been taking the vaccines. The people not at significant risk, including children, have not been taking the vaccine, as it only right. Reducing the severity in a population who doesn’t get severe disease makes no sense.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes yes. That's what you guys keep rambling on about.

    But people outside the at risk groups can still get severe disease.

    You anti-vaxxers keep whingng that THEY claimed the vaccines would 100% stop the virus. Yet here you are declaring that people outside the at rsik groups are 100% safe.


    No comment on Buzzers claims at all? Do you agree with them? No issue with him dumping that stuff next to you claims?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Well it's new technology and most people just took it to go on holidays and to the pub etc...

    They Took the two shots and said fck that, definitely not getting a booster.

    Got their vaccine certs of freedom and happy day's.

    Then it mutated and the vaccines didn't stop people from catching covid, even though they were supposed to be effective in stopping the virus from infecting the host.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Everything you have said here is fantasy in your head, I didn’t say any of that in my post. People outside of at risk groups are not 100% safe, same is true for flu and many other viruses.

    Covid raged through my local school. As with many viruses, not nice but done after a few weeks and no long term effects reported. Parents much more worried about the current vomiting bug outbreak, also no long term effects, but much more severe than covid when it’s happening.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yet, that's what you guys do when you accuse others of claiming the vaccines are 100% safe or 100% effective.


    But as you agree, people outside the at risk groups for covid can still get severe symptoms.

    So your argument that there's no point in getting the vaccine doesn't really hold up.


    Sorry, but your anecdote about your school doesn't really mean anything. Just because no one in your particular narrow social circle did not get severely ill it does not mean that it's not an issue. It's a very silly thing to claim.


    And meanwhile, what's this to do with the safety of the vaccine?


    Also, I notice that you dodged the question about Buzzer's claim. Could you explain why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly



    Morning all... I see our little chat about reading the actual links you post instead of relying on the clickbait title still hasn't sunk in....

    I take it you hit the paywall and gave up ....

    That's cool, here are some highlights from it:

    Now, scientists at University College London (UCL) have found a rise in cases of GBS in the first two to four weeks after the AstraZeneca vaccine, but not in other vaccines, such as Pfizer or Moderna.

    Like many vaccines, the Oxford jab uses a weakened chimp adenovirus to deliver the coronavirus spike protein into the body, and scientists have speculated that a reaction to adenovirus may be responsible for the rise in cases.

    Adenovirus usually causes the common cold, but scientists are starting to think it may also mimic human cells in a similar way to Campylobacter, confusing the immune system into attacking the body.

    Lead author Prof Michael Lunn (UCL Queen Square Institute of Neurology) said: “At the moment we don’t know why a vaccine may cause these very small rises in GBS.

    “It may be that a non-specific immune activation in susceptible individuals occurs, but if that were the case similar risks might apply to all vaccine types.

    “It is therefore logical to suggest that the simian adenovirus vector, often used to develop vaccines, including AstraZeneca’s, may account for the increased risk.

    Unusual spike in GBS reports

    Adenovirus-based vaccines are used against a wide variety of pathogens, tuberculosis, HIV and malaria.

    GBS affects about 1,500 people in the UK each year and 30 to 40 per cent of cases have no known causes, leading researchers to suspect that adenovirus could be a factor.

    During the 1976 swine flu vaccination campaign in the USA, there was a small increase in GBS associated with the flu jab at that time, leading scientists to question whether the Covid jabs could have a similar effect.

    To find out, UCL researchers carried out a population-based study of NHS data in England to track GBS case rates against vaccination rollout.

    Between January to October 2021, 996 GBS cases were recorded in the UK National Immunoglobulin Database, but there was an unusual spike in GBS reports occurring between March and April 2021.

    For these two months there were about 140 cases per month compared to historical rates of about 100 per month - a 40 per cent increase.

    Analysis showed 198 GBS cases (20 per cent) occurred within six weeks of the first-dose Covid-19 vaccination in England.

    Overall, following a first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine there were 5.8 excess GBS cases per million doses of vaccine, equating to an absolute total excess between January-July 2021 of between 98-140 cases.

    The rate is still significantly lower than the one in 1,000 rate of GBS associated with Campylobacter.

    All the usual stuff, no certain evidence, just some indicators.... what I don't like is how this is being reported as "new" but I'll come back to that at the end...

    What's food for thought though is that it has stated of an already known possible link to Adenovirus (common cold virus) and the time period studied was when lockdown restrictions were lifted in the UK, and the vaccine of preference during the timeframe of the study was AZ.....and for anyone who lives here (like me) there was a period of 3 or 4 months where everyone went though 2 or 3 doses that weren't COVID, due to people being allowed to mix again.... so could well be a case of correlation and not causation

    some final words in the article from an AZ rep (I know they're the enemy, but they do make some good points)

    An AstraZeneca spokesman said: “Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) has been reported very rarely following vaccination with Vaxzevria. Vaccination of any kind is a known risk factor for GBS and it is noted in the manuscript that the small number of GBS cases appears similar to increases previously seen in other mass vaccination campaigns. 

    “It should also be noted that in the UK, Vaxzevria had been administered to more people than any other vaccine during the time frame studied in the manuscript.

    “The study observes that the small numbers of cases should be compared to how many infections, hospitalisations and deaths our vaccine has prevented due to Covid-19. Current estimates show that globally the vaccine has helped prevent 50 million Covid-19 cases, five million hospitalisations, and to have saved more than one million lives.

    “The EMA and other international bodies including the WHO, have all stated that the benefits of vaccination continue to outweigh any potential risks.”

    now, back to my issue with the report... I feel this is being pitched as a "new" discovery by UCL, when this had been wildly reported in journals as early as Oct 2021.

    UK Study Links COVID Vaccines to Neurological Disorders (webmd.com)

    Neurological complications after first dose of COVID-19 vaccines and SARS-CoV-2 infection | Nature Medicine

    What you need to know about COVID-19 vaccines and rare neurological complications | Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance

    Study finds no increased risk of rare neurological events after covid vaccination | BMJ


    TLDR version....

    Studies show 38 extra cases in 10 million of GBS

    COVID on it's own also causes GBS

    Smaller control studies show GBS higher in unvaccinated groups

    Larger studies of vaccinated groups correlate GBS with Adenovirus based vaccines

    No reports take into account environmental factors (lifting of restrictions, other known causal factors not being taken into account)

    Lastly, the BMJ journal from Oct 21 stated

    "We found no safety signal for any of the studied immune mediated neurological events after vaccination against covid-19. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 was, however, associated with an increased risk of Bell’s palsy, encephalomyelitis, and Guillain-Barré syndrome."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Maybe try dealing with posters on an individual basis rather than putting them in buckets and using a generic response for all. I don’t believe Omicron is a big enough threat to children to justify giving them all a vaccine developed for a different variant. That’s my opinion, if you have a different opinion fair enough.



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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But you just agreed that the omicron variant is still dangerous to people outside of the at risk groups.

    So why not lessen the danger even more by using the vaccines?

    You're welcome to your opinion, but that doesn't mean your opinion is correct, well supported or rational.


    My point by bringing up buzzer is that you anti-vaxxers don't at all challenge false claims made by your fellows. You demonstrate this nicely.


    So be honest, why are you ignoring his claims? Why do you not want to comment on them?



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