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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I think they formed a loosely defined «Union State» a while ago which sort of made it look like they were going this way. Geo-politically Belarus is barely independent from the Kremlin anyway. Might as well make it official.

    I do have hopes that Belarus can “pull a Ukraine” and also get themselves away form this Russian stupidity to join the rest of the world. There appeared to be some appetite of change (which triggered crackdowns and the joinking of a Ryanair from the sky).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Has anyone told Belarus? 😁

    Bit like saying the UK is planning a referendum to absorb Ireland back into its bosom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭wassie


    Perhaps Moscow wants to stop the Banking Tourism by its citizens in order to comply with the sanctions imposed on them.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There's no way the Belarussian public would be okay with this - Putin is probably strongly disliked at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    This report leads to a damning implication. RU has potentially nearly exhausted its immediately operable reserves of T-64s, T-72s, T-80s, and T-90s. Frankly, there is absolutely no reason to deploy a T-62 if you have access to a more modern T-64, T-72, T-80, or T-90.




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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well that wont be a legal referendum,i cant imagine majority of Belarus wants to even go close to Russia after seeing what they have done in Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Of course it will and 300% of the population of Belarus will vote yes rejoin Russia And the Russians will tell us of course it's not unusual for Russians to vote in a (bela) Russian referendum,

    And people will come on here to tell us all about legitimate Democracy is what Russia is all about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    It doesnt matter what the majority wants, as long as the poll results says they "do"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There's a reason why Russia has been constantly putting back its plans to hold one of their patented referendums in the occupied city of Kherson and it's that the people there wouldn't have it. Russia will have to at least wait until it's (shudder) replaced enough Khersonians with its own before trying such a thing.

    Although Russia and Belarus are close, there's no poll I've seen which suggests anything like a majority of Belarusians wish to join Russia, so Russia having Belarus hold a Russian-style referendum with all the trimmings will do nothing but create massive popular unrest when it returns that 300 percent in favour result, and Lukashenko doesn't want to be unseated either. Meanwhile, Russia have significantly less military resources to commit to quelling Belarusian unrest since a huge amount of it is currently getting mullered in Ukraine. There's a reason that tweet is unconfirmed. It's 'cause it ain't happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It does matter. Russia tried to prevent Ukraine from entering into the DCFTA with the EU back in 2013 and it led to a popular uprising. You could trace the current situation back to that event.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    What Russia wants for Ukraine.

    The cities levelled, industries destroyed, the people dead and Russian people farming the land.

    The rest of the world. Work away so Mr.Putin.

    War Fatigue. The match is on.

    In another world they'd be hell to pay by Russia. But this one. Nope. "Ah sure we have to go back to business with these people".

    It's 1942 all over again and we're looking to do business with the SS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You sound demented at this stage with your constant harping about Trump and Brexit. There's probably threads in the Politics forum that you can use as support group rather than this thread.

    If the EU had listened to Trump and Obama before him we would not have had Putin invading in the first place. Meanwhile the baddie Brits are the ones making a difference for Ukraine in Europe while the EUs collective muzzle on its members states means Germany, France, Hungary and Italy can keep the European nations who want to make a difference in lockstep with their appeasement of Putin. If they were independent nations like the UK now is they could act of their own volition.

    This crisis has proven that the EU can go **** itself when it comes to the security of Europe. It's just a tool that allows the continental powers to play the games that they always have.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    1. Putin was likely to invade Ukraine anyway, see e.g. their 2008 invasion of Georgia.

    2. Trump and Obama were not advocating for any particular policy that was ignored by the EU and which would have stopped it. There were ineffective sanctions, but these were US Led

    3. The highest contributor by % GDP to Ukraine is Estonia. In terms of net contributions Poland is second after the US. Your argument that the EU is somehow holding back nations and that the UK is somehow more independent than them is inaccurate.


    https://news.err.ee/1608570313/estonia-sent-ukraine-aid-worth-0-8-percent-of-gdp-in-first-month-of-war#:~:text=Estonia's%20support%20for%20Ukraine%20totaled,a%20German%20think%20tank%20shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Belarusians will vote the way they please and that vote will be against merging with Russia, but as with the last 4 or 5 elections in that country the vote will be determined by the people counting the votes and not the people casting them. Once again the women and students of Minsk will protest this and the women will again be beaten by the police and the students will again be suicided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'm not entirely sure that the Belarusian police would be able to subdue a protest against the Russian annexation of Belarus. I think Lukashenko has dithered on committing Belarussian troops directly into the Ukrainian conflict because he's afraid of what the people would do if he went for it, so imagine how they'd react if they were suddenly told that they'd be joining Russia wholesale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭indioblack


    So you're saying that the people who voted for Brexit bought into this idea, resulting in:

    "the world where rules, laws and treaties don’t matter is a dystopian nightmare for average person, a dog eat dog world where rape of one year old kids is normalised, where property is stolen by the strongest, where racism and discrimination is the norm, where religion returns to its position of power over plebs, where rights are removed, where the ultra rich get richer."

    You place a heavy burden of future guilt on Brexiteers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Demented...well like calls to like (going on your post(s)). Where has the EU touched you?

    Your idea for security of Europe is probably to have the EU fragment (yay!), have each country in Europe run by it's own right wing populist (we already have Orbán for Hungary and Hero of Ukraine Boris Johnson for the UK, just need Le Pen running France, whatever kooky lad heads the AfD running Germany, maybe resurrect Berlusconi for Italy, Mussolini is probably a bit mouldy now!). Who would would be the dream Taoiseach...Justin Barrett perhaps?

    I predict Putin would be howling with laughter! If such people have the answers (and part of the solution to European security is breaking up the EU) why do people like Putin/Russia often funnel money to them?

    When it comes to Eurosceptic movements, there's usually a Russian money skeleton hanging in a closet somewhere.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Once again people blame the EU for things it has no competency over. The EU can neither force nor block any member state from providing aid to Ukraine - it is not within their powers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @briany Lukashenko has dithered on committing Belarussian troops directly into the Ukrainian conflict because he's afraid of what the people would do if he went for it,.

    Remember he's becoming an officer of the Russian military ,the Russian military are already in Belarus ,lukashenko has two options ,one he grows a pair of balls and denounces the invasion of Ukraine and send his military to disarm and detain the Russian military in Belarus or he announces Belarus is now rejoining Russia proper Russia's leader has ordered the rest of it's military into ukraine.

    Which option do you think he's going to go with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,748 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Yet they can ban any country buying oil or gas if everyone says OK to fueling the Russian economy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,781 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    He will do exactly as he's done stall as much as he can. He doesn't want to go to Russia and he will try string out Putin as long as he can. If he pushes too hard he'll be ousted and strung up. He knows Putin isn't strong anymore btw. So his stalling has a basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I know he's a bit of a folk-villain for the looney right, so I'll cut him some slack - but how does Soros know the contents of conversations between Putin and Xi? I'd suggest that he doesn't.

    It's entirely possible Putin did tip-off the Chinese about the scale of his intentions, but I've not seen evidence of it. And Western governments haven't been forthcoming with intelligence about it in a war where they haven't been shy about furnishing intel to the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The SS were colleagues of Communist Russia longer than they were enemies and were beaten by the Soviets who were more ruthless, savage and murderous.


    Some achievement to out kill the SS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Lukashenko and Belarussian police have plenty of experience in beating 10s of thousands of women quite publicly in the eyes of the world media as they protested carrying flowers.

    The screams of 500 students were recorded for 2 days continuously outside a prison in Minsk 2 years ago by their parents while they were tortured. They pulled a journalist and his girlfriend off a hijacked Ryanair flight.

    There was an extraordinary suicide feat accomplished by a young man who managed to climb a tree without a ladder and a broken leg and hang himself.

    He has no fear of repercussion and all opposition has been forced to flee to Lithuania and Poland over the last decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yeah, these aren't the only two options on the table. As @listermint notes below, Lukashenko will be non-committal for as long as he can. He'll offer Putin as much support as he thinks won't incur a huge domestic backlash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    All the while more and more Russian military forces and equipment are moving into Belarus , Russian public order units recently moved into Belarus in their hundreds too , little or no resistance against them .

    I'm not so sure the Belarusians would fight against either lushenko or lushenko and Putin combined



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says



    Interesting that Orban had declared state of war time emergency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I wouldn't know about Hungarian politics, but the current emergency period (because of Covid) was going to expire on Tuesday, so I guess he's just extending it and giving "Russia" as the reason. Maybe he likes to be a chief-in-crisis?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He's also looking to extract more money out of the EU to pay for their allegedly decrepit energy infrastructure. He and Putin are kindred spirits on controlling the population but he gives his voters just enough to make it look like he's a good leader.



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