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Why is it illegal to use Metal Detectors in Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They seem incredibly cheap these days. My White's Coinmaster 5000 cost about $1500 new. I bought a used one for a third of that. Given inflation, it loks like they currently cost one twentieth of what they used to and perform a lot better.

    Really high performance ones cost US$4,000, though, so pinch of salt required on those cheapies.

    https://www.kellycodetectors.com/minelab-gpx-5000-metal-detector?sscid=b1k5_4flty&



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Here's a recent find in the UK. I'd like to see an argument made of us being better off if it were just left in the ground:

    https://gobgh.co.uk/2021/11/05/nhs-nurse-is-set-to-make-hundreds-of-thousands-of-pounds-after-finding-tiny-gold-bible/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,389 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    If they are illegal why does Smiths sell them?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,246 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i don't see how that informs the debate much, though. i don't think anyone is arguing that valuable finds have not been made by detectorists; it doesn't speak to the need, or lack of, a law governing detector use. no more than me having made it safely to the shop and back might suggest we don't need laws which criminalises mugging.


    was interested to note when i did a quick google on this topic that i found a video of a speech by helen geake (former time team presenter, IIRC she was one of their anglo saxon specialists) talking about metal detectors, and she mentioned that at the start of his career, mick aston, the kinda archaeological heart of time time, was dead set against detectorists but that his attitude changed a lot before his death.



  • Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The argument about destroying historical sites doesn't hold water at all. The Law can be applied to stop the use of detectors pretty much anywhere except the beach.

    As eloquently pointed out by a poster above, someone out using a metal detector as a hobby is not going to be digging 10 feet down, nor even 3 feet. They will only pick up artefacts at or very near the surface, within a range that puts the artefact already in danger of destruction from machinery or the elements.

    Likening it to getting mugged on the way to the shops is hyberbolic nonsense. So bring in a law to say you're not allowed to go to the shop at all in case you get mugged??

    If it was illegal to use a detector to find treasure in the UK, you would not see those happy news stories about hordes of gold or tiny bibles, because they would not be reported for fear of prosecution.

    Who knows what has been found here, sold off, and kept secret because of this law?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭The Oort Cloud


    My nanny 45 years ago was doing some work on her land out in the sticks of Buncrana Co. Donegal and unearthed some very interesting gold crosses, but she was afraid to say anything to any-one outside the family so she hid them on her land and never told any-one where she hid them. She passed away a few years later. She just said that they were gold and some were crosses and that was the end of it. Now probably lost forever. I was always interested about her story and she didn't have a metal detector back then, just old fashioned digging she done. Shame.

    Individual people have different thoughts and understanding in regard to others opinions, but the problem is this... there are some people out there that will do everything in their power to cut you off when they do not like your opinion even when it is truth.

    https://youtu.be/v8EseBe4eIU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭peterofthebr


    sorry this has prob being asked.. but I'm constantly loosing pins,bolts and such from my tractor on my fields (when doing fencing jobs) sometimes I do manage to find them afterwards.

    But thinking if I had a metal detector it would help me find all of them(don't want animal trying to chew them wither) my land is not anywhere near any archaeology sites..

    1. is it OK to use metal detector in such cases?

    2. if I buy a metal detector in ireland will the shop(seller) ask/require me for have a icence or such before selling it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Because it's not illegal to sell them.

    Is illegal to use them in certain areas and for certain purposes.


    Honestly, if something has survived in the ground for a thousand years, it'll survive another 2 or 3 hundred easy. The only reason for people to search for archaeological treasure with metal detectors is to get some shiny trinkets. If you have a genuine interest then do your research on proper practices and volunteer your time to digs. It's very interesting, methodical work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's legal to use a metal detector for such purposes, in fact, it's legal to use them to find archaelogical artifacticats, so long as you don't dig them up or disturb them. Of course, how you know whether you have found a lost penny or nail vs something more interesting and archaelogical, is a mystery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    There's been a project to get this stuff written up running for the past few years so better than it was. The roads were much better done.

    https://www.tii.ie/technical-services/archaeology/publications/

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    1.You're on your own property looking for your own stuff on or pretty near the surface, you're not doing any serious digging, I don't see why not.

    2. Nope. Knock yourself out. Probably get one soon before the stuffed shirts at the National Museum make sales of them illegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    TLDR: A policeman who was a metal detector hobbyist entered an agreement with some farmer to split the profits down the middle 50 50 on whatever was found on farmers land. Policeman finds rare gold coins, doesn't let the farmer know, gets caught and sentenced to 16 months.

    Rather silly isnt it? You think being police he would have been more smart. Why didn't he hold on them for 2 years and stop looking on the famers land? Say he found them on a beach. Also, if selling old gold coins raises such attention - and I know this is mad - but just melt them down? Yes, you would be loosing something like 80% value but if you cant sell something then the value, in it's current form, is 0.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,772 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    It is illegal

    • to be in possession of a detection device at monuments and sites protected under the National Monuments Acts
    • to use a detection device to search for archaeological objects anywhere within the State or its territorial seas; without the prior written consent of the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, that's restrictions on their use. You can use one to search for a lost Rolex on your own land and a company can use one to locate underground cables or pipes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,772 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    my post is a direct quote from the National Museum of Ireland website



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I remember a girl in school telling the career guidance teacher she wanted to be an archaeologist. His response, "what, do you want to live with your mother forever?"

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I know, and it does not prove your statement that 'it is illegal', which is wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭onrail


    I've about 300 acres of land in rural Ireland that has no national monuments and has precisely zero chance of ever being subject to an archaeological dig. Ever.

    If, hypothetically, I should decide in my retirement to go metal detecting and find something of archaeological value, I cannot for the life of me see why it is not a positive thing.

    Scenario A: Nothing is ever found, and the information is lost/buried forever.

    Scenario B: I go detecting anyway, but for fear of the law, never report my findings. Information lost forever.

    There has to be a compromise somewhere. As mentioned before, A licensing process, where really enthusiastic amateurs can go on a moderately priced course, would be a great income stream for some struggling professional archaeologists and bring a degree of order to things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,558 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    That highlights the stupidity of the law. There's loads of the law. The state can claim anything found iirc, so why not find it. There 100's of years of antiquity there to be shown in galleries. Imagine if the Book of Kells or the Ardragh chalice hadn't been found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Agree.

    The law is unenforceable as it is anyway. What cop is ever going to come across you detecting on your own land?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    @ onrail - you've got 300 acres?? you own a county?😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭onrail


    Not quite, just a wildly unproductive family heirloom 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,548 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    300 acres is just over 1.2 sq. km. That's a pretty small county :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭onrail


    297, so close enough. A decent size holding, but not exactly massive.

    Anyway, back to the point. I wonder would any qualified Archaeologists lend their opinion to the thread? Surely the law is in need of an overhaul?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Whenever this topic is brought up on the Archeology forum, it gets locked down quickly, most likely the mod(s) there are in the job.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,246 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    sure there was a farm for sale in roscommon (i think it was roscommon) a few years ago, which was something like 1800 acres; i do remember thinking 'that's bigger than the phoenix park'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^

    damn farmers own half the country🙄



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wish they'd worked on a project near my parents' house in the 90s. 2 month job ended up taking over a year due to all the "discoveries". Though there was nothing found that there weren't already photos of. 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    How much of what is 'found' in the UK is actually found here and smuggled across?



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