Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

People just thought vaccines = disease be gone. Which wasn't the case with a virus that mutates a lot.

Certain people seem to act like we have some "contract" with the virus, we don't. We could have a new wave. There could be a new variant that is much more deadly.

Exactly ... 'your opinion'

but I'd but much more weight behind the opinions and studies of those who are experts in the field and know about epidemiology, vaccines and efficacy.

I've said before that my wife has two decades of experience in researching and interpreting medical data in this area ... her opinion is vastly different to yours.

No disrespect but not all opinions are equal

Note how you claim in this thread not to be an anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist, yeah..

Strange, I've repeated said the vaccines do not stop transmission in many threads.

When I see the ban lists it's typically a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists, the same list. So yeah, not surprising really.

except you are incorrect in what you are saying about the 'clear expectation was that the primary function was to prevent catching covid'

Here is a simple narrative from the NHS in Scotland - published in March 2021

Note how it states

"The vaccines contain ingredients that give your body instructions to produce the spike protein, using the virus’ genetic code.

Then, your body makes antibodies that can recognise the spike protein on the coronavirus if it enters your body and help fight it off. This means that if you choose to take a vaccine, you are less likely to get severely sick if you encounter the coronavirus"

ZERO Mention of not being able to contract the virus

This is from the CDC in Sept 2021

"Vaccinated people can still become infected and have the potential to spread the virus to others, although at much lower rates than unvaccinated people"

link: fully-vaccinated-people.html

So - it is a straw man argument when your argument is based upon something that wasn't true

For a time I thought these vaccines would prevent most transmission from the variants, then I read about it

When I discovered otherwise, I didn't start trying to blame something else for me being wrong. On a conspiracy theory forum.

To reduce the effects of the virus and its transmission .... you are totally misinformed if you still believe that the vaccine was a one stop shop

The vaccines were developed before Delta and they showed decent efficacy in reducing transmission the earlier forms of the virus. Less so with variants that arrived during and after development.

As Omicron raged, those vaccines were much less effective on transmission (obviously) but held strong on reducing severity. You've then inserted your personal narrative that it was "spun" based on your flawed earlier thinking that the vaccines would be much more effective in preventing transmission

It's plain for everyone to see.

Amazing. After the glut of recent posts, it still remains that the vaccines are overwhelming safe.

Vaccine trials showed up to 95% reduction in symptomatic Covid cases.

The virus mutates.

You seem to be suggesting some sort of massive global "marketing" thing happened, care to elaborate on that? Be specific please

incorrect

the poster obviously hasn't a clue how the licensing of pharmaceuticals works and how they are allow to market it. The license application comes from the clinical trials ... and if the poster even made a cursory look at the headline results of the original Pfizer trials the actual number of people who contracted and transmitted the virus when on the trail would know that there was never a mention of blocking the transmission.

It's quite clear that the poster had something in his head about the failure of vaccines and no amount of facts or evidence will sway their incorrect opinion.

Lol. You make the accusation that immediately do what you're accusing me of.

Yes. The vaccines give you immunity. Never said different.

You however are "fantasizing about what I meant."

I don't give my opinion about medical matters. I point to the conclusions made by actual experts who use actual evidence to do so.

Notice how you side step you initial misrepresenting of the VAERS data.

Is that a sore spot for you or something?

But it's not statistically zero. There is a higher risk vs. reward ratio for the COVID vaccines than for many other childhood vaccines (i.e. it's more beneficial for a child to be vaccinated against COVID vs. other childhood vaccines just so I'm clear).

Statistically zero means a lot of zeros, people confuse statistically zero with % who have severe outcomes when infected, while low for children, this is more than made up for by the virulence of the virus.

HepB has a relatively high mortality rate but the chances of contracting it are remote, hence the vaccine isn't part of the childhood program (people have to opt in and pay for it).

Great, thanks and where's the part where the EMA granted approval based on "on the specific basis to prevent symptomatic Covid cases"?

Is it just that, or is it a range of factors? If it's a range of factors, what are they?

exactly - so the expectation that it would prevent transmission is based on falsehood. So your assertion only a short while ago is based on false information

I now have no flucking idea what you are trying to say or not say .... so let me get this straight

• you accept that the vaccines would never stop transmissions
• you accept that they have reduced transmissions and serious illness and allowed our healthcare systems still function

• you accept that the vaccines have been very positive in what they were designed to do?

As from you last few posts and circling back I'm not sure what your issue with the vaccine is?