Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

I’m well aware of that, I’m not saying we should have put sanctions on them I’m saying we shouldn’t be putting sanctions on anyone, we are putting sanctions on Russia just to suck up to the Americans and British.

We should just make our few quid, get on with everyone and stay out of all this crap, because rest assured no matter what future conflicts occur we will never truly understand them and understand what’s really going on behind the scenes.

There are far worse things going on around the world than what’s going on in Ukraine, people in Ireland only care about the Ukrainian people so much as it’s the focus of media attention. As I said before 3.1 million children starving to death every year in Africa and the Middle East. Absolutely brutal and horrifyingly wars going on around the world carried out by America’s greatest allies with their full support and help like Saudi Arabia in Yemen for example.

If you think the Americans and British care one bit about Ukrainian civilians you must be deluded. Dead civilians are little more than a tool to win support for their own agenda. If it’s their allies carrying out mass murder and oppression they have no problem with that so long as it furthers whatever agenda they may have in that particular situation.

So go over to Ukrianie and fight for them if it means so much. Instead of trying to flood this country with refugees.

Its not, so your point is mute.

They are as similar to us as the Russians are. Not very similar. I want nothing to do with the Ukrainians. They won’t get a penny out of me, I make regular donations to people far worse off than anyone in Ukraine, I don’t care if the Ukrainians are somehow part of this “modern first world sophisticated European society”. We have only been welcome in this society in very recent times, for most of our recent history we were the poorest in Europe who nobody gave a crap about.

Now they have finally decided to let us be part of this society we do nothing but shove our heads up their holes and soundboard everything they say, we are so desperately trying to fit in it’s pathetic. Ireland’s history is very different to the rest of Europe.

Our goverment must put a limit on the no. of refugees (including Ukrainians) we allow in. We don't have the housing, health care facilities, schools etc. required for the huge numbers some goverment ministers are quoting. Our over generous welfare system is a major attraction....the Nigerians call Ireland 'Treasure Ireland' for a reason ! The fact is that once on dry land here it's almost impossible to extradited an illegal migrant, it takes years and costs the taxpayer millions of euro with zero relults. (A gravy train for lawyers) Our laws must change and change drasticly. We are fast tumbling down the same road as the UK, where, now that things have got completely out of control they are considering extraditing illegals to Rawanda. The Ukrainians are afraid they'll get ensnared in this net so they're steering well clear of the UK. Ukraine is a huge country, bigger than France, and as the war in now concentrated in the far east of the country, the EU, US etc. should help in providing housing, modular housing or similar in the west of the country for displaced folk from the east instead of shipping them abroad.

To be fair to the Ukrainians they have a work ethic and want and are willing to work, so in the long term they won't be a burden on the state, unlike other parasites we attract who are work shy. In fact the hospatility industry in some parts of the country would be in a bit of pickle without them.

Money which could be far better spent helping the 3.2 million children who starve to death every year in Africa which nobody seems to care about, or money that could be far spent helping the men women and children in the Middle East who get bombed to shreds everyday by our “allies”, people who would be absolutely over the moon to get refugee status in Ukraine never mind Ireland!

But apparently no one cares about them as they don’t belong to the “modern first world sophisticated European society” the rest of Europe has suddenly decided to let us be a part of after shitying all over us for hundreds of years.

But oh no, Uncle Sam says we should sit up all night worrying about Ukraine and spend whatever disposable income we have left over and make a donation.

What a load of Bollocks!!!!

Rubbish, I just don’t see the need to fuss over the Ukrainians. If we were actually doing it out of the kindness of our hearts we would be bringing in some of the tens of millions of children on the brink of starvation around the world, or we would be bringing in people from the war torn countries far worse off than Ukraine. I’d have no problem with us spending money bringing in families from Africa on the brink of starvation rather than Ukrainians, you would think we would feel more in common with them due to our own recent history with starvation during the famine but oh no Uncle Sam tells us the Ukrainians are the same as us because they are part of the Europe who shat and laughed at us for hundreds of years.

It’s quite clear this is being done to suck up to the Americans and British and score some brownie points on the “world stage”. 3,000 civilians dead according the UN in a population of nearly 50 million, and let’s be honest the real figure is probably far lower due to the history of the UN exaggerating civilian deaths at the hands of their enemies and only reporting fractions of their own.

The civilians don’t even have it that bad, in terms of casualty rates Northern Ireland at some points of the troubles was a far worse and dangerous place for civilians than Ukraine Is now.

But sure a recession is nothing, we'll have cheap Ukrainian labor to get the country going again. Well thats what the flag wavers want you to believe anyway.

All that matters is we the tax payer fund Ukrianie in a forever war. We have no room at the inn, Ukrianinans need to go elsewhere.

Be grand - except for the lack of a tourism industry here anymore. Ukrainians in hotel beds mean paying tourists cant come and stay - hotels will get bailed out by government through subsidies per refugee, the bars and restaurants reliant on tourist trade will not.

Not only does it cost us a lot of money to put up the Ukrainians while theyre here, but we will be getting far less in taxes due to the drop in billions of tourist money that we usually get every year. With interest rates going up we no longer have free money to keep the show on the road, so the question is - how the hell do we afford all this?

Will @Thelonious Monk be paying for it all?

The way some people go on they would have us believe every man, woman and child in Ukraine are dodging bombs left right and center from morning to night. There’s been apparently 3,000 civilians killed in Ukraine according to the UN and rest assured the real figure is probably far lower given UN history of exaggerating civilian casualties at the hands of their enemies and only reporting fractions of their own.

Even if you take those figures at face value in a population of 50 million in Ukraine even Northern Ireland was a far more dangerous place for civilians at some periods of the troubles.