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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    They also have politicians who care about their own, actual country and it's citizens. There is no inferiority complex or the need to be plamased by the EU as being the best little boys and girls in the union.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Most politicians care little about their people. It's a game played largely by narcissists and borderline sociopaths, which is why it's so frustrating to see people who actually think that their rulers care for them. Bang on about Irish insecurity though, as we have a collective insecurity like no other nation. It wouldn't be so bad if it meant something in relation to how we're viewed on the global stage, but when it comes down to it most nations don't think of us, we're insignificant and irrelevant for the most part.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A TD’s basic salary is €100,191 plus expenses…. So damn right they are going to be making decisions that best enable them to stay in office as opposed to the decisions that will facilitate the wellbeing of this country and its citizens..

    They give very little care, attention or interest to the needs, requirements or wants of the citizens who they are paid by and who they work for…it’s all about…

    A.. getting in again

    B.. facilitating population growth so business of theirs, friends and family will thrive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    And then on the other hand, if they've been good boys/girls and done what they've been told to do, and get voted out of power by the people, they'll be rewarded with jobs in NGOs or "advisory" roles. Ireland is honestly a rotten country when it comes to politics, yet many will argue otherwise because not enough of it gets exposed, because we've a media class who choose to not focus on any of it. They'll focus on trivial "controversies" alright, like golf gate, but they'll never go near anything more serious.

    Post edited by TomTomTim on

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You think Ireland is the only country where it's politicians move onto the private sector? 😕

    Also "golf gate" took down a pretty serious high ranking politician largely due to the reporting of the Irish Examiner.

    What any of that has to do with a EU directive we legally signed up to 15-20 odds years ago is baffling.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,499 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    They need to be sponsored and have a visa to stay in the UK. They probably were only using Edinburgh to get connecting flights

    If you look at the post with percentages above, you will see the UK has taken the fewest of any major European country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Precisely ,not one media outlet that I’ve seen has endeavoured to look at this crisis and the long term impact to society and Irish citizens…

    scared to..quite probably ‘encouraged’ not to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Interesting discussion on the live line program today on two incidents were people were made homeless after their rental properties sold , one landlord with 20 properties called in , another landlord called in saying we need a return of Bedsits.

    Whilst not pre judging those who were made homeless and their personal circumstances, Kids involved in one case, the Journey they went on is in stark contrast to how others are being treated, one is in an outreach centre for homeless women , the other a couple with children, mother pregnant in a Guest house.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,588 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    '... refugees are forced to take up beds in hotels and B&Bs'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭Potatoeman



    Think of the poor TD’s having to drive hours to the Dail!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Just like the many ordinary people who have to do it everyday.

    Up to 300 a night for accommodation as well.

    A nice big rise in unvouched travel and accommodation expenses for them to fiddle incoming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    People are killing women and children all over the world and have been for years, apparently I’m supposed to feel some sort of emotional connection to Ukrainians as they are from Europe? My HOLE. We should have took a mixture of refugees from around the world as other countries like Iraq for example have suffered far far more than poor Ukraine who all the do gooders seem to be oh so worried about all of a sudden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I feel closer to them anyway and it pains me to see what's happening there, when I see Africa/Middle East etc getting blown to bits I don't really feel much at all, must be just a lifetime of being conditioned to seeing that stuff and the fact that they're oh so very far away. I'm delighted with the Wests response to the Ukraine crisis anyway and it's great to see people wanting to help and take in refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Who needs a tourism industry anyway, sure we're rolling in it from corporation tax n that'll never change! Maybe we are gonna corner the market in the refugee industry instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Tourism is worth about 9.4 billion to our economy.

    now the government have effectively shut that door on that…on us.

    the decision will impact the wellbeing of people here for 5-10 years because there is no guarantee of a quick end.. Ukrainians have a right to stay and live and work for 3 years… how long they’ll be living in hotels depends on Putin… he doesn’t seem like the kind to back down.

    country and indeed continent is Donald ducked.

    around this country hotels are FULL of refugees, need a break, so are hotels in other countries so anyone looking for a relaxing getaway…. Our wellbeing is already being comprehensively compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'd blame Putin if I were you, no one else wanted this situation. It's great that European countries have decided to bear the brunt of the situation though, just be glad you haven't been shelled out of your home in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Well I’m the opposite, I personally feel nothing at all for the Ukrainians. Apparently though they are “European” so I should be sitting up all night worrying about them.

    Apart from the last 20,30 years of prosperity in Ireland we were a joke and a laughing stock to the rest of Europe. We are like that bullied kid in school, we always craved the friendship of Britain and the rest of Europe and now that we have it we so badly just want to fit in and be part of the group, even if we have to throw our neutrality out the window it doesn’t matter, we will do whatever we can to fit in.

    We have only been one of these “modern first world European countries” for about 20 years. Before that we were the poorest in Europe for centuries and the butt of all the best jokes. Personally I feel like we are far closer to some countries in the Middle East like Palestine than we are to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Spend from Tourists visiting Ireland in 2019 was €5.6 billion. I think its safe to say it was practically zero for the next 2 years and in 2022 was projected to be a fraction of what it once was , it's no wonder Hotels in particular jumped at the opportunity to Host Refugees.

    In 2022 There was going to be very few Tourists and certainly very little staycationing.

    I'd actually wager , Government wouldn't have been so accommodating (no pun intended) had the Hotel sector been doing well, what exactly could they have offered if there was few hotel rooms available 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s not about apportion of blame…. Blame is obvious.. Putin and pals.

    bearing the brunt ? Why ? War on every continent… if bearing the brunt was a standard we’d be living like this indefinitely as I’m sure some will suggest we should with problems Syria, Somalia, South Sudan… tens if not hundreds of millions impacted

    housing shortages , chronic healthcare shortages and inefficiencies, transport shortages…. Metro ? Pffff…. And that’s just NOW.. just wait. What’s to come going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    are you being put out personally, by Ireland helping Ukrainian refugees? do you not feel sympathy for these people and what do you think should be done with them if they are not to be helped by European countries?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    It seems like you are the one who is smoking on something, most if not all Muslim countries would have no problem with non Muslims coming to their country. Personally I couldn’t care less about Ukraine. I wish them well but I honestly couldn’t care less. Other countries around the world are and have been suffering far more than Ukraine and nobody gives or gave a ****.

    As I said before our nation is quite pathetic to be honest, we are the bully victim desperately trying to fit in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,500 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’m not endeavouring to view it from a personal standpoint more of how the country and all of us will be impacted…. As a collective…

    i feel for every single person impacted by war, around the world. But where should we stop ? Kick the President out and open up the Aras as a hotel ?

    what should be done ? How much should we do is the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Look how Christians are treated in those countries and those are of the same nationality. I’d have no issue taking them in, they are actually persecuted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    3.1 million children starve to death in Africa and the Middle East every year, a problem which could be solved easily if the world wanted to solve it but no one is too worried about it.

    There are people in countries across the Middle East and Africa who would be over the moon to get refugee status in Ukraine.

    Apparently now we’re supposed to roll out the red carpet for the Ukrainians just so we can lick the holes off the Americans and Brits and feel part of the “international community”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Which countries are you referring to? Dubai? Turkey? Palestine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Iran during the revolution most Christians fled. In Pakistan every few months there’s another story, also Egypt and those are only the ones that hit the mainstream media. It’s widespread throughout Middle East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Support for Ukraine is important if Russia are to be defeated. The West must stand up to them. Your way of life is under threat as is global peace if Russia is not defeated. Taking in some refugees will be the least of your worries if things escalate.

    Why would anyone want refugee status in Ukraine at the moment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    I’d rather Ireland remain neutral on the subject. There have been horrible actions taken by our “greatest allies” and no sanctions were brought against them by us.

    Libya for example was one of the most well off countries in Africa with one of the highest standards of living, that was until the US and UK embarked on a great “humanitarian mission” and destroyed the place.

    Why would anyone want to seek refugee status in Ukraine you ask? This may surprise you but there are places in the world far worse off than Ukraine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    And Muslims are persecuted all over the world as well, such as the genocide against Muslims in Myanmar by the Buddhist government. What is your point?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    If we were to put sanctions on the US or UK or Europe we'd be completely broke. The reason we are rich is because of our relationship with these countries and like it or not that's why we are on the same team when it comes to the war in Ukraine.



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