Russia - threadbanned users in OP

USA are not doing a charity job by sending weapons. Russia will no longer be able to compete with them in LGN gas sale. So US will earn additional billions thanks to it. Germany has no LGN terminals because they put their bets on Nord Streams, so their situation is completely different. Longer war means gains for US, while big losses for Germany.

@ronivek Also I'm pretty sure when people are saying Ukraine "can win"

That's exactly what they are saying and meaning , they are winning and will continue to win , considering they were only given 72 hours at best they are steam rolling the Russians and I believe they won't be stopping until the last Russian leaves by the kirch straight

Does it make any difference though? - all the raw materials that would have been used will now be available to be eaten in other forms.

There is no low they won't sink to

Look, I hear you.

But (and this might be hard to fathom from where we are right now), we can always make choices that don't make a future confrontation even worse. Or, ideally, avoid that future confrontation entirely.

Not clear what 'put Russia in its place means' though.

What are you suggesting - Iraq style invasion and regime change? Which is impossible for very obvious reasons so I imagine you're not.

Or something along the lines of 'sanction them to death'? Or something else?

Putin already has an off-ramp to avoid humiliation - he can pull out of Ukraine and declare that his "Special Punishment Operation" was a howling success and he'll have a number of ruined Ukrainian cities to prove it. All his dead Einstazgruppski members can be proclaimed Heroes of the Motherland with gongs all round. His media lapdogs will parrot this round the clock, and most Russians will be happy to believe it and the ones who don't will keep their mouths shut because they know what's good for them.

Alternatively, he may be allowed to keep some of his territorial gains and...goto paragraph 1.

If he wants more than that then we're looking at a real victory for him and then the west is in full-on Chamberlain mode if it grants it: give him what he wants and hope he goes away. But history has taught us that those types never do go away. At some point a halt must be called. If not, the west might as well disband every army and destroy every weapon it has, because Putin will just need to say "nuke" and everyone will roll over.

I’ say u know bloooody well what it means. It is up to the Russians -its leadership - to work on it and to ‘cut its cloth according to its measure’ Russia should not try to be something its not, drop the idea that it is constantly being attacked/ countries constantly planning to attack it, etc, etc,etc.

Well, it looks as though Death the Leveller will take care of Vlad in relatively short order.

And then...we have the same problem, under new management.

As somebody or other once said: "trust - but verify".

What is really needed is both mutual incentives (to abide by good behaviour, as we in the West generally do). The success of those incentives will eventually engender mutual trust.

Nobody in 1945 could ever have envisaged that, in the blink of a historical eye, Germany and Japan could become bulwarks of the international order.

Not sure if this was shown here or not. But been following this guy's account. Absolutely brilliant stuff.

Nobody would advocate trying to inflict total defeat on Russia, for the small detail that this would literally mean the end of all life on the planet.