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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Field east


    Ukraine was once part of a very corrupt state ie USSR . So when it became independant it started out as being very corrupt and the UKR gov is working on tackling it . It is part of the current president’s policy to have this corruption issue part of his manifesto



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you honestly think that Irish people would live in such conditions while waiting for their foreva home? Shared bathroom and kitchens with multiple other family groups? Not to mention sitting/dining rooms!

    I don’t think that homeless people living in hotels pay anything towards their keep, but at least their rooms are en-suite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    If you actually read the article, there's a planned substantial investment going into this property, are you suggesting it won't be good enough for homeless, Irish people 🤔 quite an assertion, but that aside, isn't it fascinating Waterford CO Co, (Encoraged) by Government are focusing their attentions in a specific direction, despite years of under investment in social housing and of course the figures I pointed out, which incidently were YEARS in the making.

    I'm sure the good people of Waterford might be scratching their heads at this latest virtue signalling by their local authority.

    Incidently, I made no judgement on this matter, you did and of course neglected to mention the 60 people actually homeless, wether its suitable for families is another matter but not actually the point.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did read it. There are numerous such buildings around the country that could be modified for use. It’s interesting to see that there are plans to use this building into the future. While they may not be suitable for families long term, those 10 to 12 units should make lovely homes for single people or even couples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    It’s a lovely bridge I’m selling. Goes from O’Connell St across the river. You seem like an intelligent lad so I’ll give you a good price



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed they would, perhaps "Heavens above" some of those actually homeless " could be considered 🤔🤔🤔🤔

    You also brought what those in emergency Accommodation contribute, again, despite it being dealt with previously and nothing to do with my post this morning but just in case you've forgotten.

    * They Get accommodation Vouchers

    * Generally have to start searching for a place that might accept them and the vouchers.

    * Are subject to strict conditions which may include vacating premises during daylight hours and have no certainty, may end up in various locations weekly or monthly.

    * Certainly don't get a meal plan thrown in.

    * Certainly have no one to chaperone them to said accommodation, medical, dental appointments, shopping trips etc unless it's a close friend or family member. In essence they are left to their own devices with minimal state support.

    All very fair and equal isn't it.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Why would someone who ran away from defending their own country defend Ireland? Are you living in opposite land??



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I am not being smart, but this wave of refugees is just the beginning. Wait until starvation, famine and civil unrest spreads all over the ME and North Africa due to fert prices, lack of wheat and sunflower oil. Billions upon billions for weapons and yet the world's food programs are underfunded (despite promises made).

    So the question becomes what are going to do then? Close the doors? Say, sorry we're full? There's no room at the inn? Drop dead?

    We can't solve all the world's problems, we can't even solve our own problems most of the time. But I think we should be limiting the number of Ukranian refugess to keep space for the next wave of humans that's likely to start arriving on Europe's shores either later this year, or, most certainly, next year.

    Also, all applicants for government programs should be processed at the same pace and with the same rights and privileges... and be given the same funding and resources, including college and medical treatment etc. No playing favorites. E.G. If Ukranians get free college, then it should be free college for all Irish too.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, they get accommodation vouchers, but do they have to pay anything on top? This is a genuine question, so please don’t jump on it! I’m just curious.

    It’s strange that hotels turf them out during the day. I remember that being the case in the Guest house we we’re staying in when on holiday in Blackpool back in the 70’s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    My understanding is they Don't, I've never said they do. But when accommodation is offered, that's it, no add ons, food service's etc and as I've said being given a voucher is only the start of the Journey.

    If there's children involved, I'd assume a greater effort is made by local Authorities to help identify temporary accommodation.

    I'm not critical of the supports Ukrainian refugees are getting, simply pointing out the supports given to others is vastly different and a fraction of the care and attention being given to Irish homeless people. My stance is equality is sadly lacking but more alarming is the fact it took a crisis outside Ireland to highlight the injustices at play.

    Governments approach isn't even subtle, they are clearly sticking their two fingers up to those who've needed support, long before the Ukrainian crisis started.

    Re being turfed out during the day, this has been highlighted many times over the years, I believe it happens more in B&B's, guest houses mainly.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I can just imagine the reaction to Waterford council passing a motion to throw a dozen Irish families into an old bank to alleviate housing pressures.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not to worry. The lack of en suite bedrooms would have the poor craturs running to talk to Joe. Not to mention the lack of room for the trampoline/pony. And the drafty windows……the inhumanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Don't forget about getting sea sick living that close to the sea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    And you claim to be volunteering with Ukrainian Refugees 🤔 this post pretty much confirms what I've always suspected.

    I'm not aware homeless Irish families in emergency Accommodation or indeed single irish homeless people would be permitted to have trampolines or Ponies in there Emergency hotel room or B&B accommodation let alone afford either, I suppose you think they can pop down to SW and tap into the exceptional needs fund 🙄

    Indeed I think a Rough sleeper might struggle to fit either in a Tent (if there lucky to have a Tent)

    Extraordinary attitude, it's all about virtue signalling to you, not in my back yard so to speak (Unless of course its Ukrainians)

    If of course your referring to Real Ponies, well, well, I'll say no more.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see the government are now giving free college fees and grants to Ukrainians.

    I have been saving up for the last 9 years to send my child to college, I will keep saving until she is 18.

    Why am I bothering, it's demoralising :'(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Deiselurker


    They are not giving free college fees to all Ukrainians. They are just giving them the same fees as Irish students and same access to grants instead of treating them as international students.

    If people have a problem with Ukrainians getting everything they need to get on to their TD's instead of giving out about it here or on social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Never mind the money, people may have to defer due to lack of college places or accommodation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I wasn't aware International Students get their fee's paid or indeed free accommodation, what am I missing here 🤔

    Numerous TD'S have said they are getting negative feedback about the disparity that's going on and the two Tier system at play.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Deiselurker


    International students have to pay higher fees than Irish/EU students. My understanding is the recently arrived Ukrainians are being treated same now as Irish and EU ones.

    There are a lot of people out there including other immigrants who feel the Ukrainians are getting too much in general as a result of our government being naive and acting on emotion.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How many Ukrainians will be attending college? I think overall, the figure will not be the 30,000 already in the country as most will be too young, too old, working or concentrating on rearing their small children.

    Those college places won’t be given without the students ability being assessed beforehand. From what I have seen on the ground, the college places they are looking for are local to their current accommodation, in our case, Clonmel, which offers fantastic courses. The Ukrainian students don’t want further upheaval by moving, alone, to another part of the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    There's a lot of People feel there's a shocking Two Tier system at play, wether it be supports or access to accommodation. As I and others have repeatedly said this is about lack of equality, bending of the Rules, lack of any Transparency, Disgraceful Hypocrisy and some extraordinary decisions being made without any accountability, and this aside from some very questionable eligibility and entry rules and the already evident crisis in social housing, Housing, Cost of living, lack of rental properties available and the cost of Rents.

    I think most reasonable and objective people would be far more understanding if everyone was being treated equally and fairly, this not happening and its no wonder people looking on at the Shenanigans going on are annoyed and perplexed.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Again and conveniently missing the actual point 🙄

    I'd wager when word gets out about this new generous offer, we'll have some additional Ukrainian Students arriving, this aside from the fact there's already limited places and accommodation.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    How will they be assessed against Irish students though? Did they bring exam records with them? There are a limited number of places. Each non CAO applicant let in bumps out someone who had the points. It’s preferential treatment

    All this virtue signalling will come back to bite as we watch our own children leave the country.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The one I’m aware of is applying for an ETB course. She’s got to apply through the normal channels and go through the same process as all other applicants.

    Im sure that it will be similar for other college places. They are very big on education and it was the first thing parents did on arrival was get the kids into school. There are difficulties due to language barriers, but if they want to bad enough, they’ll overcome those barriers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed, very good points but of course like everything else at play there'll be no assessing, verifying etc, just a wink and a Nod so to speak.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Ah sure just make sure they get a college place nearer to where they reside, that'll be grand so. Then let those living in the area, having to go through state exams next month and already inflated points system, let them try find a course someplace else, and accomadation too.

    But then, there's student accomodation in college campus being given to ukrainans, so we'll have more heel digging in Sept when they refuse to move out for students and we'll see tax payer students living in crap leftover holes because they can't access campus accomodation.

    I've a kid doing leaving cert next month. Already she knows that even if she get the max 625 points for the course she wants, she may not get her place, and all entrants will go into a lottery system for a place. Why? Because there are not enough places for them already. Throw in a few Ukrainians into the bag, and you will see hatred for these people grow when the young adults see that they are being treated as less important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Maybe they have a plan to accommodate everyone including the Irish students. I mean surely they do right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    No idea. Student accomodation is like hens teeth as it is. A lottery system and deposits for lucky ones taken a while back. I think they jumped into opening up the campus for the 3 month period, but we all know we'll get the 'can't put them on the street' line when the time comes. No doubt it'll be more lucrative for campus to keep refugees in over students. I hate where all this is going, the uncertainty of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Irish government- Were going to build hubs with all the necessary needs for Irish homeless families to help them while they find long term accommodation.

    Irish public- That’s a disgrace, these conditions are like a 3rd world country!!!


    Irish government- Were going to temporarily house Ukrainians in homeless hubs and old buildings etc


    Irish public- That’s a disgrace, what about our own Irish homeless!!!!


    Bunch of hypocrites.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭patrickc



    In the local L.A the people in emergency hotel/rooms accommodation are charged rent depending on their incomes, they're assessed as if they were in a social tenancy. The hostel charges a set rate per week.



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