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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Russia is not normal, fires are large, nothing to see

    Fyp 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    In reality one of the biggest reasons for our independence is due to British public opinion in 1921 turning against the Auxillary campaign in Ireland. If Britain had been a more authoritarian regime at that time they could have doubled down and suppressed the country with brutality like many other countries were. In reality that is still the case to this day. If Britain becomes an authoritarian aggressive regional power again ( not beyond possibility) our independence is in serious danger. They have a large Army in close proximity to us with a land border not to mention a large Navy and nuclear weapons. In a pure geopolitical strongman sense we are to Britain what the former Soviet states are to Russia, complete with contested region and all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I see Modi has been visiting a number of countries in Europe this week, don't expect to see any public change from India in regards to Russia but I hope at least he got enough of an earful from the various leaders he met to quietly withdraw some of the supports they are offering to Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Rumours abound that a Second Russian Ship has been struck. Hopefully we will get some visual evidence to clear up whether this is true or not.

    The fact that FORTE11 is performing some surveillance could indicate some truth.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Looks like Orban is mouthing off today about the ECs "attack on European Unity" with their oil ban. The end of 2023 is too soon and also disagrees with the Russian church being sanctioned. I read somewhere else he's quoted as saying he said he doesn't want to use the word veto...





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    The Pentagon denied providing "specific targeting information" to Ukraine to sink the Moskva, a Russian guided-missile cruiser that was the flagship of Moscow's fleet in the Black Sea. 

    "We did not provide Ukraine with specific targeting information for the Moskva," said Pentagon press secretary John Kirby in a statement Thursday night.

    "We were not involved in the Ukrainians' decision to strike the ship or in the operation they carried out. We had no prior knowledge of Ukraine's intent to target the ship."

    Ukraine claimed to have struck the ship with two Neptune anti-ship missiles in mid-April.

    The ship then sank as it was being towed back to port for repairs. Russia said the damage to the ship was the result of the detonation of ammunition.

    "The Ukrainians have their own intelligence capabilities to track and target Russian naval vessels, as they did in this case," Kirby added.

    Live Updates: Russia's war in Ukraine (cnn.com)

    Still, they might have and might not have. They're not going to tell.

    Rumors of another sunk ship https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1522506742789287936?s=20&t=PYp8fqFyjQygJbR05ohuMw

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    Ooh look DUKE 28 flew over Hungary ... He was lucky not to be shot out of the sky.

    duke.PNG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Nermal


    How on earth are we in a 'much more strategic position than Ukraine'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It is interesting. Maybe they will force him to put his neck out (for Mr Putin!) and actually veto it if that is what he wishes to do. I think that rarely happens in the Council (for things that need unanimity like these sanctions they don't vote unless consensus exists?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Sounds like some credibility to this Hit on a second warship as Royal Air Force RRR7236 is joining FORTE 11 in pinging the black sea





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It's about more than geography though. It's more about geo-strategic location and ours is firmly inside the Western, democratic sphere of influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    That's ridiculous. The likes of China would find it tough enough even to organise the invasion of Taiwan, just 100 miles off their coast, how do you think they're able to project force onto the other side of the world?


    The only plausible future scenario you mentioned that's remotely likely would be an authoritarian UK since they're next door to us. That's about it, and a stretch at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    So you're saying the Duke 28 was supplying weapons to Ukraine?

    Interesting - I wonder do the Ukrainians know that? 🤔

    By any chance does the present fly around by many aircraft have anything to do with Hungary denying the use of its airspace to any country, including it's own NATO partners providing military aid to Ukraine? What do you think might happen where a plane carrying military aid ultimately destined for Ukraine were to fly over Hungary?

    Or maybe it's more likely to be related to the fact that Hungary is increasingly looking a lot less like an honest player with regard to it being a member of the EU. With Hungary having no issues with Russians planes carrying Nuclear material landing in Hungary to furnish fuel for its own nuclear energy power plants or that the building of a new nuclear power plant awarded in 2014 (without a tender) to nuclear giant Rosatom is cited as just one of the many indications of warm ties between Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Russian President Vladimir Putin? Or that Hungary being one of the first to pay roubles for Russian gas despite EU sanctions and generally giving the finger to Ukraine and the EU?

    Nah can't believe it myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I'm not seeing it (your point). Can you elaborate please?

    For clarity on my geo-strategic point, truly strategic locations are those where competing spheres of influence (or what used to be called Empires in the bad old days) collide.

    Ukraine is clearly one such location, Ireland is clearly not.

    Although we are obviously the centre of the universe in every other way :).



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So strategically important that we have only ever been invaded by our nearest neighbours.


    There is no strategic importance to our position. We dont control flight paths, shipping lanes etc. Anyone can just as easily go around us (or through us as we couldn't do anything). If fact it would only be in the event of us being invaded that we would actually be of strategic importance. Thus requiring the invader to increase resources in maintaining that control, when they could have just gone around us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Its a lot to do with the system,,,,,competency is not necessarily a guarantee that the most competent will automatically rise to the top. There's lots of external factors at play as well. The good old-fashioned Irish "Pull" is alive and very well in Russia too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate of the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet is reportedly on fire near Zmiiny island in Black Sea. Rescue operation ongoing, multiple aircraft, rescue vessels in the area

    there will be no Russian Navy once this is all over

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    At the rate things are going for the RuSSians the May the 9th Parade could turn out to be the world biggest Funeral March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Because it's a bit of a bollocks to drive a tank across the Irish sea.

    If someone were to control Ireland though, they'd have control of the eastern atlantic. We also have a deepwater port in Donegal.

    However for ourselves, we're in a relatively safe position because we're an island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's sending a message as well, that when Russia accuses others of fighting a proxy war, we'll give you a proxy war and that the near God like intelligence gathering and targeting of the American military is now fully focused on sending high profile Russian men and assets to the ground.



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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does Ireland control the eastern Atlantic? No. So why would having control of Ireland confer control of the eastern Atlantic?


    To control the eastern atlantic, using Ireland, you would need both the resources to maintain control of the area and the country, whereas as it it is you can move freely in the area without tying up the resources, which can be used to achieve your geo-political goals in areas of real strategic importance.

    In WW2, the Germans, British or Americans never serioulsy considered invading Ireland becasue when they evaluated any plan there was little strategic gain for the resources required to execute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well a good contribution to that worthy aim would be to put a missile or two into the rescue flotilla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,432 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We've been speculating for some time that the Russians have a bizarre and distorted view of what "Nazism" is and that now appears to be confirmed. They think it is anyone who is "anti Slavic" and "anti Russian". This guest on the Solovyov show claims that the USA, the EU and GB are creating a new 'global Nazi empire' with Ukraine as the starting point:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I read somewhere that both the Brits and Russians and possibly the Germans all developed detailed maps of Ireland around WW2 and after in Cold War period in Russia's case. Worth pondering http://redatlasbook.com/topointro



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    A whole gang of aircraft are now pinging the black sea.


    Alongside Forte 11 and RRR7236 it appears that NATO 11 along with Turkish navy aircraft are all taking a look





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The UK didn't because we were neutral and leaning towards them. The Germans didn't because they'd have to go around Britain and couldn't. The royal navy was just too strong.

    Any country that could launch an amphibious or aerial assault on Ireland and take it over would almost certainly have the resources to dominate the eastern Atlantic from Ireland.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No. They wouldn't. If someone (let's say Russia) took over Ireland to attack elsewhere the Dublin, Weston, Shannon, Cork and Knock runways would be destroyed within an hour by whoever they were going to target (let's say the Brits). Similarly we have a few ports but no infrastructure for submarines and I don't know much but I doubt a bunch of warships and submarines could (having got here somehow unmolested) just park up in Dun Laoighre and plug into services that would work for them and everything would be tickety boo. And as soon as they were going to take a port there'd be ridiculous sabotage and if that didn't work the Brits would missile the couple of ports along the east coast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Fairly sure that would be considered a war crime.



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