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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    That's ridiculous. The likes of China would find it tough enough even to organise the invasion of Taiwan, just 100 miles off their coast, how do you think they're able to project force onto the other side of the world?


    The only plausible future scenario you mentioned that's remotely likely would be an authoritarian UK since they're next door to us. That's about it, and a stretch at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    So you're saying the Duke 28 was supplying weapons to Ukraine?

    Interesting - I wonder do the Ukrainians know that? 🤔

    By any chance does the present fly around by many aircraft have anything to do with Hungary denying the use of its airspace to any country, including it's own NATO partners providing military aid to Ukraine? What do you think might happen where a plane carrying military aid ultimately destined for Ukraine were to fly over Hungary?

    Or maybe it's more likely to be related to the fact that Hungary is increasingly looking a lot less like an honest player with regard to it being a member of the EU. With Hungary having no issues with Russians planes carrying Nuclear material landing in Hungary to furnish fuel for its own nuclear energy power plants or that the building of a new nuclear power plant awarded in 2014 (without a tender) to nuclear giant Rosatom is cited as just one of the many indications of warm ties between Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Russian President Vladimir Putin? Or that Hungary being one of the first to pay roubles for Russian gas despite EU sanctions and generally giving the finger to Ukraine and the EU?

    Nah can't believe it myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I'm not seeing it (your point). Can you elaborate please?

    For clarity on my geo-strategic point, truly strategic locations are those where competing spheres of influence (or what used to be called Empires in the bad old days) collide.

    Ukraine is clearly one such location, Ireland is clearly not.

    Although we are obviously the centre of the universe in every other way :).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So strategically important that we have only ever been invaded by our nearest neighbours.


    There is no strategic importance to our position. We dont control flight paths, shipping lanes etc. Anyone can just as easily go around us (or through us as we couldn't do anything). If fact it would only be in the event of us being invaded that we would actually be of strategic importance. Thus requiring the invader to increase resources in maintaining that control, when they could have just gone around us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Its a lot to do with the system,,,,,competency is not necessarily a guarantee that the most competent will automatically rise to the top. There's lots of external factors at play as well. The good old-fashioned Irish "Pull" is alive and very well in Russia too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate of the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet is reportedly on fire near Zmiiny island in Black Sea. Rescue operation ongoing, multiple aircraft, rescue vessels in the area

    there will be no Russian Navy once this is all over

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    At the rate things are going for the RuSSians the May the 9th Parade could turn out to be the world biggest Funeral March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Because it's a bit of a bollocks to drive a tank across the Irish sea.

    If someone were to control Ireland though, they'd have control of the eastern atlantic. We also have a deepwater port in Donegal.

    However for ourselves, we're in a relatively safe position because we're an island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's sending a message as well, that when Russia accuses others of fighting a proxy war, we'll give you a proxy war and that the near God like intelligence gathering and targeting of the American military is now fully focused on sending high profile Russian men and assets to the ground.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Does Ireland control the eastern Atlantic? No. So why would having control of Ireland confer control of the eastern Atlantic?


    To control the eastern atlantic, using Ireland, you would need both the resources to maintain control of the area and the country, whereas as it it is you can move freely in the area without tying up the resources, which can be used to achieve your geo-political goals in areas of real strategic importance.

    In WW2, the Germans, British or Americans never serioulsy considered invading Ireland becasue when they evaluated any plan there was little strategic gain for the resources required to execute



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well a good contribution to that worthy aim would be to put a missile or two into the rescue flotilla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We've been speculating for some time that the Russians have a bizarre and distorted view of what "Nazism" is and that now appears to be confirmed. They think it is anyone who is "anti Slavic" and "anti Russian". This guest on the Solovyov show claims that the USA, the EU and GB are creating a new 'global Nazi empire' with Ukraine as the starting point:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I read somewhere that both the Brits and Russians and possibly the Germans all developed detailed maps of Ireland around WW2 and after in Cold War period in Russia's case. Worth pondering http://redatlasbook.com/topointro



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    A whole gang of aircraft are now pinging the black sea.


    Alongside Forte 11 and RRR7236 it appears that NATO 11 along with Turkish navy aircraft are all taking a look





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The UK didn't because we were neutral and leaning towards them. The Germans didn't because they'd have to go around Britain and couldn't. The royal navy was just too strong.

    Any country that could launch an amphibious or aerial assault on Ireland and take it over would almost certainly have the resources to dominate the eastern Atlantic from Ireland.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No. They wouldn't. If someone (let's say Russia) took over Ireland to attack elsewhere the Dublin, Weston, Shannon, Cork and Knock runways would be destroyed within an hour by whoever they were going to target (let's say the Brits). Similarly we have a few ports but no infrastructure for submarines and I don't know much but I doubt a bunch of warships and submarines could (having got here somehow unmolested) just park up in Dun Laoighre and plug into services that would work for them and everything would be tickety boo. And as soon as they were going to take a port there'd be ridiculous sabotage and if that didn't work the Brits would missile the couple of ports along the east coast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Fairly sure that would be considered a war crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    When the soviet union fell, a lot of their military plans became public. I saw the plans they had for the invasion of Ireland. They were on display in the college I went to. Full maps of Dublin with the different areas they should take. Some of them actually correlated with the sites of the 1916 rebellion. I believe the Phoenix park was going to to be a big runway. And I'm not 100% certain of this but there might have been a contingency plan to nuke killybegs, because it's a deepwater port and it would deny it's use to the US.

    The germans prepared guides and plans for an invasion.

    I saw stuff about the guides they were going to hand out to troops. Very basic stuff like "the locals drink guinness". :)

    I tried finding it again but couldn't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If only armies had engineers that could build ports quickly. Or build and repair landing strips. That sort of thing would have been handy in the past. I bet they would have loved it at d-day for example. It would have prevented them from having to just dump stuff off shore after the original invasion and just hope it floated in.

    Editing to add: I don't think we have to worry about the Russians invading at the moment. Not after their abysmal performance in Ukraine. But a genuine superpower could. And that was the point. Because of their strategic locations, countries like ireland and iceland are worth targeting. The chances are slim that the situation would arise where it would happen, it would have to be a truly global conflict, but it's not beyond reason to think it might.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The fact that such a plan existed doesn't mean it was ever likely to be actioned. It's just one of those things to have on file, ready, if it ever needs to be actioned. I'd be completely surprised if the USA doesn't/didn't have one either. The UK certainly has one.

    Officers and generals have a lot of free time when not on active duty. It's quite possible, likely even, that the Soviets had invasion plans prepared for nearly every country in Europe, if not on earth.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What Gulag did these creatures spend their childhood in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I think it would only have been actioned in the case of a third world war, between the USSR and NATO, which thankfully never happened. Even then I'd imagine it would have been a war where nukes hadn't been used yet. Because otherwise I doubt anyone would have enough living soldiers left to invade anywhere.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To be able to provide live target coordinates for a moving target at sea to a missile,you need something close to the target,like a drone with datalink to verify and identify before launching a missile.

    Neptune missiles doesnt have datalink for midcourse updates,so that makes it even more important to verify and identify before launching,since there is a lot of civilian traffic in the area.

    Neptune missiles uses active radar seeker that cant verify the target like many other NATO missiles can NSM and LRASM,and uses datalinks for midcourse updates.

    Using satellittes and orion surveillance planes will only give location,not target coordinates



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How quickly? Because like I said, if anyone thinks that while we're outside of NATO the Brits wouldn't have everything wiped at speed only constrained by how long it took to turn their missile launchers they're incredibly naive. Again, all assuming they somehow got here unmolested and untracked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Fully agree. We could easily specialise in something like logistics, medical support, naval support etc and make a decent contribution. It’s the selfish free loading that I find objectionable . Building up the army and defence to deal with all hypothetical threats is unnecessary. Contributing something to the wider defence of Europe and the western world is necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I find it a bit depressing that the thread about Ukrainian refugees seems more active than the thread about the conflict.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    If world politics gets to such a position that the UK has left NATO then maybe. But if things get to that point then NATO likely doesn't exist anymore. If the UK and France leave then its a fairly pointless cooperation as you have only the US as a nuclear state and although they currently provide the vast majority of NATO capabilities, if they are also then the only nuclear power its not really much of an alliance.


    Being part of NATO isn't going to help if NATO doesn't exist anymore, and the UK invading Ireland isn't going to be happening, even though the UK is clearly the biggest military threat to Ireland.



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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the Brits were invading who would they be fighting? And if it's about controlling the Eastern Atlantic then whoever they're fighting will just launch 50 missiles to **** our **** up instead.

    For some people it's still unthinkable that Russia would invade Ukraine. For some they wouldn't believe it til it happened. The only reason 25 years ago it would be unthinkable for Russia to invade Ukraine was because they were completely under Russia's thumb so they had no call to invade. Was it unthinkable they'd invade Poland/Hungary/Estonia/Bulgaria/Lithuania/Latvia? Because those countries seemed worried enough to jump into NATO ASAP. They were invading and **** around in places in the 90s even before Putin came to power, only the naive expected them to stop acting like an empire all of a sudden.



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