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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I don't know just reminds me if some poor fecker shot say out in no man's land and the enemy clearly know he's injured and more then likely out of the war maybe forever or for set amount of time and he is crawling away and they still take pot shots at him intending to kill him. But yeah your right Russia aren't upholding the Geneva convention but just something about the video left a nasty taste in my mouth (one of the first I mean in regards what Ukraine has released that has in regards to combat videos against the Russians), (Russian atrocities horrendous) in regards what was done and what in the future drones will do on a much greater scale, I just think something in regards to rules has to be put in place for them in situations like happened in the video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Yeah I just thought there might be something there in regards to keep up the attack on them after them been injured and trying to evacuate themselves. I would presume some rules should be in place in regards to it especially going forward in future conflicts as drones will be an even greater role then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    But they weren't all injured so they were all a direct threat - the crux of the convention protection is those not taking part in hostilities, there is a thin line there but I would rather err on the side of caution (the guy was still armed was he not?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Not sure if he was still armed or not, looked like it killed 3 of them. I just wonder will the rules or war in regards to drones have to be amended in regards to attacks like that in the video. Just for future conflicts if things aren't outlined properly about the way there used and grey areas sure just imagine the way they will be used by some armies down the line. Be like he didn't put his hands up after I blew his legs off and I am a mile in the sky after firing the missile at him, I can see his gun is still in his hands so I will fire another missile at him as I can say his buddy who is also injured throwing him into a van, maybe there going off to the front I can say (but really we know there going for medical attention) they have not surrendered to me. I just wonder what people if there are any on this thread who are in the military or were in it think in regards to the video after the initial attack, just wondering in regards the 2nd attack on them? What way they look at it either if was happening to them or them doing it? Does something have to be put in place for drone attacks in regards the enemy after the initial attack of they are injured? As in the future drones will be doing a hell of a lot more fighting and killing for most armies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,654 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Pretty sobering article below. Just like the build up before the end of the Winter Olympics it seems its only a matter of time before we get a "War" declaration from Putin (most likely on Victory Day, May 9th) followed by absolute atrocities in Ukraine by the Russians, massive western response then nukes from the Russians.

    I just cannot see any other end game at this point, Russia/Putin only knows how to act like the strongman/bully and when they don't get their way any restraints are off.

    If "War" is declared on May 9th, I'll be hugging my children tight 😥


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Addmagnet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    You should probably hug your children every day. They'll like it.


    As for Russia destroying itself... I don't see it happening while not directly attacked by NATO. The scare talk by the "TV presenters" is only smack talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭zv2


    Much of what you say is true. I said similar earlier on this forum. But the more immediate concern is that Russia is engaging in war crimes and that needs to be dealt with. They are in the wrong. No amount of geopolitics or history can justify what they are doing.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Russia could not attract countries to its sphere of influence therefore it justifies Nuclear war.

    Is that the Incel ideology?

    Putin and his cronies definitely aren’t incels that’s for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭Field east


    were they not RU drones. And while you are at it you might also mention the pilot/ missed operator that attacked the building marked children in Mariupol, for example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Tbf, there is currently no intelligence being put out there to state that (I believe in that interview quoted he stated that this was his own opinion).

    I think if they were prepping for all out war with Ukraine, the West would be shouting it from the rooftops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The fundamental issue for Russia is western (really United States) encroachment on to it's borders through NATO expansion.

    The United States military is now effectively only a few hundred kilometers from Moscow.

    Think about that from the Russian perspective and it's easier to understand why they feel they need to push those boundaries back.

    In the Cuban missile crisis the US correctly were not going to tolerate a Russian base on their doorstep and didn't. There was no if/buts/maybes.

    Yet Russia should accept an even more dangerous (as they see it) position for themselves where they feel they are getting encircled?

    It's actually mind boggling how it got this far.

    I think the west needs to accept a neutral buffer of countries between it and Russia or things will stay very dangerous and tense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭strathspey


    Living in Ireland, I'm actually quite ok with a bit of climate change/global warming.....an extra 5 degrees throughout the year would be absolutely perfect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    aww man, that gave me a good laugh :-D :-D

    you looking forward to the 9th May parade? gonna be as extravagant as a Paddy's Day lockdown parade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    This war is a direct consequence of failing to address the geopolitical realities in eastern Europe.

    The actions and crimes we see flow from that.

    Said it before, I'll say it again - it is not a good idea to have NATO up against Russia's borders.

    It's dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭strathspey


    But taking that perspective implies that the West should respect Russia. Other than gas and oil I'm not sure that Russia has anything to offer the West. I mean have you ever seen a Russian restaurant on your travels outside Russia, have you ever bought a manufactured item labelled, Made in Russia'. The West's only respect for Russia comes from their have nuclear weapons. I think we in the West are quite comfortable with a new Cold War II wall being built, enclosing Russia where they get on with being Russian and the rest of the world carries on in a globalised environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And what about the people living in those 'buffer' zones?

    We have seen what Russia will do to non NATO countries?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I never once accused you of lying, nor would I. I did say your position is based on the side you believe in. That you believe all Western media is manipulated(by the CIA apparently) and your media sources aren't. Your position is pro Russian/Slavic/anti NATO/West, or very much slanted that way. You elevate NATO alone for being bad actors, warmongers and destroyers of the environment and culture and completely ignore Russia's hand in the same things down the years. Though when you say NATO you really mean America, just like in the Cold War Soviet Union really meant Russia. I did find it interesting that under only the slightest pressure to back your position up, you very quickly went to wishing atomic death on me(and London for some odd reason).

    I am 100% against this criminal war started by putin and his unimaginably rich fellow criminals. He's a crime boss at the head of a country. However I also see how and why Russians and others believe their side in this and broadly support putin, or at least how and why they did before putin started dropping bombs and murdering Ukrainians. After the Soviet Union fell criminals took over with the help of corrupt politicians and raped Russia and the Russian people over and over again for over a decade. These criminals made themselves multibillionaires and the West/the US either stood by because of an attitude among some of "the Russians deserve it", or simply "not our problem", or actively helped these criminals stash and "clean" their blood money. Wall Street and especially the City of London and Swiss banks would be many billions poorer if the Soviet Union had never fallen.

    Then putin comes along. He picked his obscenely wealthy criminals, kept them more in check and got rid of those not friendly to him and some of that dirty money started to filter down to ordinary Russians. The Russia he took over and the Russia of last year are very different places. The changes on the ground for most Russians, particularly in the western cities are positive and Russians can see that and they credit putin with that. They look at America who also elevates the obscenely wealthy(and always has) while the working man and woman is squeezed more and more and the poor grow in size, where needing a life saving operation can bankrupt you and quite understandably come to the conclusion that they're hardly a society to admire or copy. And I would agree with them.

    Then we have Ukraine. The same Western media and US government reports were talking about the still major issues with corruption and Far Right elements in that country before this Russian invasion started and have now done a near 180 degree swing in their reporting. Ukraine was a corrupt, extremely nationalist, backward state in the corner of Europe with a nasty civil war in the East backed by both sides. Zelensky was seen as being better, but not by much as he blocked opposition voices and was backed by the obscenely wealthy and IMHO with his TV show on his oligarch mate's TV channel ran the best, most original political campaign in modern history. This doesn't let the Russian side off though. Not by a long shot. Because Ukraine was a much more corrupt, extremely nationalist, backward state in the corner of Europe when it was run by Russian backed rulers. In the last elections the Far Right couldn't even get one seat in government. If putin and Russia want to stop "nazis", why didn't they invade when their "nazis" and even moe corrupt criminals were in charge?

    Add in the long standing Russian fear of invasion and outside influence, both of which putin pushes to his advantage. Add in America being foreign policy dicks who kick off wars on Brown people for BS reasons like WMD, but mostly about power and oil. And yep I can understand the Russian people's position. They're 100% wrong backing this obscene "special military operation" on Ukraine, they deny obvious holes in their arguments and propaganda, but I can see how they get to this point of believing it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But there is no American or Nato bases near or close to Moscow ,there is no Nato army 30 different countries with 30 different militaries Willing to work together in defense of each other ,if anything Russian bases are creeping closer to Europen countries and not the other way around ,

    Your talking about a buffer ,so give them Ukraine ,then they will want Moldova , Georgia,parts of Poland , they will then want a buffer for kalingrad so how many more countries are you willing to give up to placate Putins Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,778 ✭✭✭Homelander


    NATO is a voluntary defense alliance that was formed based on Soviet aggression. Anyone who joins has to opt in, as a sovereign nation, it's not like the US is brute-forcing applications.

    NATO would never, and has never articulated the faintest wish to, attack Russia. Putin knows this. The whole affair was a smokescreen to attack, conquer and integrate Ukraine to sate Putin's empire lust which has failed miserably.

    Now Russia is clinging to it desperately and pathetically. There are Nazis in Kiyv, then Nazi's were widespread across Ukraine, and now finally the entire world is overun with Nazi's who have assembled to destroy Russia.

    There is no, and I mean absolutely zero, credible view that starts with "Well you have to see it from Russia's point of view"

    They have every right in the world not to want NATO on their borders. They do not have the right to invade, ethnically cleanse, brutalise their soverign neighbor Ukraine for choosing that path.

    Putin has scored a massive own goal here. He's brought NATO closer to his borders than ever before, set the Russian military back decades probably, and showcased, to the world, how pathetically feeble and medieval the Russian military actually is.

    NATO, and the US, cannot actually believe what they are seeing. Russia is performing about 10 rungs below their worst case estimations in conventional warfare.

    Comparing it to the Cuban Missle Crisis 50 years ago is senseless and irrelevant whataboutery. It's not 1962, it's 2022.

    The past is an entirely different beast, literally and contextually, and to pretend it's a direct equivalence is wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭circadian


    Fake, the map is from a different reddit post in 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You don't seem to read. Never once have I justified Russia's actions but I can see the reasoning.

    The notion that NATO can be on Russia's borders and we are not heading for war is lunacy. It's crazy.

    It has nothing to do with Russia or it's neighbours. It's just a strategic reality.

    As regards defence both NATO and Russia should jointly guarantee the defence of buffer countries.

    Ukraine has already accepted it can never join NATO.

    In relation to Crimea - you're back to the 2014 overthrow of the Ukrainian government. That's whole a different story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    And what about these buffer countries, why they should accept constant threat from both sides? They have a right for safety and joining any bigger group guaranteeing it. Why only Russia should have this comfort? Because is big?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Russia gave up their right to buffer States when they started to invade said States.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Thank you for taking the time to reply.

    I think the focus on global warming relates mainly to sea level rise, I don't believe the human species is in danger at all.

    When you say "complex organisms will become extinct" I think you mean "synthetic molecules will break down".

    I have never heard of nano-particles causing human life to be impossible. / Pollution obviously causes illness and a reduction in living standards.

    You're correct, the planet will re-balance itself after any catastrophic event, provided it remains in the Goldilocks Zone.



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