Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Danzy · 29-04-2022 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118992980#Comment_118992980

A mighty man but with good advice he would have a lot more bought as well.

giveitholly · 29-04-2022 07:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118992221#Comment_118992221

It's a Dairymaster DMS 50kPa. We have a 10 unit parlour with cows averaging 30 litres at the moment. How would you know if it is leaving air back into the receiving jar?

giveitholly · 29-04-2022 07:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118992667#Comment_118992667

Our service man says our pump is plenty good enough but that our cows are milking too much!!! He has suggested we might need a bigger jar alright

straight · 29-04-2022 07:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118994974#Comment_118994974

No such problems with delaval.

straight · 30-04-2022 12:29PM

Teagasc are still pushing these lads leasing land, reseeding the whole place and building a brand new parlour on it. The part I've the biggest problem with is stocking the place at 4 cows/HA when I'm limited at 2.3. There was no mention of other land.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL3RoZS1kYWlyeS1lZGdl/episode/MWM3MjUwZTktYTE4Yy00MDdkLWJlMjEtM2NiOGNlYjZlYWU5?ep=14

Mooooo · 30-04-2022 03:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118997326#Comment_118997326

Can't click the link. How are you limited to 2.3?

straight · 30-04-2022 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118997985#Comment_118997985

Nitrates. Not now I know but soon. Was just thinking if I could find a run down farm to buy and lease it for 10 years to one of these lads it would be a good investment.

Mooooo · 30-04-2022 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998085#Comment_118998085

Everyone will have to comply with nitrates. Some lease to have only cows on mp, others don't. My whole farm limit will be the same as yours

straight · 30-04-2022 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998167#Comment_118998167

What's your point like?

Mooooo · 30-04-2022 04:29PM

As I said couldn't see the link above but the regulation constraints on yourself are the same as everyone else, if people can make a go of whatever they're at or want to do leave em off. Lads should do their own figures on it, can't blame teagasc or whoever for everything

straight · 30-04-2022 04:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998328#Comment_118998328

I can blame whoever I want. They are promoting overstocking and all that goes with it. And that madness is directly affecting me. The podcast is like a love in between childs and his shining example. There was no mention of overall stocking rate from what I heard. Have you not heard of the blackguarding people are doing with "map acres" and all the other crap.

GrasstoMilk · 30-04-2022 09:53PM

Everyone’s limited to the same SR straight

it’s up to you to make it work for you

straight · 01-05-2022 05:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118999673#Comment_118999673

I prefer to look at the bigger picture. if you think everyone is limited to the same SR then you are very naive. Maybe I'm just more empathic but I really feel for the guys being led up the garden path.

Siamsa Sessions · 01-05-2022 08:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000249#Comment_119000249

The guys with €1m in debt milking 150 cows?

Was talking to a 100-cow man last week (no debt) and he told me about a €50 cheque he gave in to the local pub being bounced. It was 2009 and milk was 20c. He reckoned anyone had that happen to him would be slow to ever take on much debt.

Mooooo · 01-05-2022 08:43AM

Is that whats discussed above? If that's the peak cow numbers they will be at a high level alright, but if everything is setup as it should be with that spend there should be little to spend on and extra labour should be minimal. Part time labour would be 20 plus k for a full year so would come close to half or a third of repaymentsif it could be avoided. All assumptions of course if increasing cow numbers then it'll become more manageable

Peaked at 5k per cow here, tb was the biggest scare, ran it up for a year. Will have to go again and its gonna be tough with the price of everything exploding

greenfield21 · 01-05-2022 08:57AM

The same discussions where had 10 years ago on here with similar hate for teagasc leading lads a stray. The likes of Jay and Straight have nearly all been silenced at this stage.

straight · 01-05-2022 09:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000524#Comment_119000524

No hate for teagasc here. Am actually closely involved with them. It doesn't mean I have to blindly follow all of their advice.

Gillespy · 01-05-2022 09:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000524#Comment_119000524

Disagreement doesn't mean hate. And quite the opposite has happened here. Much more balanced and I dare say more realistic now. Not that long ago you couldn't say boo about many things for example topless cubicles and genomics. If you raised any issue with the extreme expansion going on you were immediately called a begrudger.

kevthegaff · 01-05-2022 10:16AM

Some of these houses in the future will need major structural renovation etc, people think when their payed back bobs your uncle..

Siamsa Sessions · 01-05-2022 10:20AM

I don’t hate Teagasc but I don’t think they’re honest enough either. They’re a State agency whose job it is to implement/support Government policy such as FoodWise2030, etc.

That means their job is to help increase exports. Increase farm output first and foremost. That’s somewhat aligned with the farmers best interests but not exactly.

Teagasc would tell you they serve farmers first but they don’t. They support Government first.

straight · 01-05-2022 10:30AM

They love selling educational courses to tell you how to be a farm worker too. I think that was the main aim of the podcast I listened to. The role models they drag forward are always the same. All young, all been to new Zealand, all milked big numbers and are now numbers men themselves. All producing sub 500kgMs. No mention of where calves go, no mention of overall stocking rates. None of them ever seem to have worked in a different industry for any period of time.

mahoney_j · 01-05-2022 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000818#Comment_119000818

Some great people there ….some spoofers and some bullshit artists …..bits I get most out of are grassland management ….breeding and feeding of cows wouldn’t even look ….still blinkered to one production model and kiwi dairy farming …..there fees are gone outrageous too ….we’ve a good facilator over our group but meetings are sporadic ….same auld topics every year etc etc ….tbf to him he’s covering lots of groups and big area ….outside of that it’s basically a fee for submitting bps and dero …..for 600 plus euro it’s a fookin rob

jaymla627 · 01-05-2022 11:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119000524#Comment_119000524

The way the greenfield sh**tshow played out pretty well sums up Teagascs best advice, what more is their to rehash in fairness

Injuryprone · 01-05-2022 12:39PM

Nutrient Management

1. The amount of livestock manure from grazing livestock applied to the land each year on grassland farms, including by the animals themselves, shall not exceed the amount of manure containing 250 kg N/ha,

By the letter of the law, are people with high MP SR not breaking this rule in the 2022 nitrates regs? Cos my reading of the above is that none of your land should be getting more than 250kg organic N/ha?

Wildsurfer · 01-05-2022 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119001009#Comment_119001009

How much would a private advisory service cost for doing that does anyone have an idea?

Tonynewholland · 01-05-2022 02:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119001604#Comment_119001604

I'm private and it's costing me around the same

mf240 · 01-05-2022 08:13PM

You can do the sfp yourself on agfood.

Dunno bout derogation

straight · 01-05-2022 08:30PM

That was a nice write up on the bull OTS in the IHFA journal. Plenty small herds doing well in the breeding game.

I got a text from my AI company this year with mating requests for my "superior cows". Nice. 😀 The breeding is my favourite part of dairy farming.

ginger22 · 02-05-2022 06:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119003587#Comment_119003587

and is all about ebi or do they look at production,classification, cow families,

straight · 02-05-2022 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119004484#Comment_119004484

The IHFA story was about the whole picture and how the bulls EBI was holding steady as opposed to others.

When the AI company bought my bull, they classified the dam and grand dam. They are all registered pedigree. They must have then registered the dam as a superior cow on their system.

Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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