How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

Feck me downcow, can you not work out the answer.

I'd have no issue if the anthem was worked so that it included every identity living here, including yours.

Your lack of self awareness is hilarious. You're seeking change in a future UI you want absolutely nothing to do with while you can't even countenance any sort of agreed-upon flag for the people in region you live in. It really is quite the spectacle watching unionism's death spiral in real time.

I am addressing the op question. This thread is not about new flags for ni. You could start a thread on that if you wish and I’ll contribute

What? Why don't you tell me the answer you want?

I can't be any clearer.

Wow!

The GFA gives equality.

What a reveal there blanch. It also annoys belligerent Unionism so you have allies at least.,

What now blanch?

downcow, I have no issues with the anthem being changed, nor the flag. I have repeatedly said they will have to be changed.

I favour a moratorium on the use of ALL flags for a settling in period actually, as the ideal.

How fecking many times?

You see the need to get rid of GSTQ, because it is problematic for a significant amount of people, that is a good thing. But trying to seek change of what rugby supporters and players are happy with is wrong.

There are no issues about it in rugby downcow bar a few bitter Unionists.

Support for rugby is on a par from Ulster as it is from Munster etc

Unionism has been accommodated in rugby and moderate Unionism is more than happy to stand under the Irish flag and to hear the anthem. That makes you seethe I know, but that is the reality.

If a significant number want to change it and it is acceptable, there will be no objection from me, I will still be watching and supporting an Irish team.

That’s one unionist who still supports the team.

Any more?

No the northern support is huge’ boisterous, committed and above all, happy to shout for their country - Ireland.

Haha. Not even a good effort

The op question was about how to create an atmosphere to help unionists integrate into a UI.

I think I have said it before on this thread, but in my mind the single most important thing would be a recognition of the discrimination against my community over the past 100 years of the state. A statement by the government would be very helpful.

for 50 years unionists in the north pretty much denied the discrimination against catholics, but the last 50 years has seen a growing acceptance and acknowledgment and I think that has been an important factor in how increasing numbers of the young nationalist community are feeling bought into NI.

Ironically, an honest approach to the past by ROI would weaken the Union in the same way as the more open and honest approach to the past in the north has weakened the UI project.

….and of course there was discrimination against protestants in the north and catholics in the south, but in both case by far the greater discrimination was against the other. And I am not meaning only state discrimination, state discrimination becomes an encouragement to all sorts of community discrimination and violence.

it is difficult to see how unionists could be integrated into a state that is in denial of their past treatment of same.

roi political leaders need to grow a set and lead the way.

This is just waffle from him. The first big mistake he employs here is whataboutery. He needs to restrict himself to his jurisdiction. He is just adding more insult. He needs to develop the confidence to address what happened in his jurisdiction without any whataboutery.

how would the British government apology for Bloody Sunday have gone down if they had made it about what happened to both sides on the whole island.

…and your president is particularly good at avoiding reconciliation events that are not pitched in his favour..

I suppose it is positive that he is accepting that both countries discriminated against their minorities and that people were driven out. So basic a fact, yet many on here are in complete denial.

I detect movement in you Francie, however slow, when you can post at least that admission

So in the meantime the British can continue apologising for stuff unilaterally?

the Irish government are already coming to the party late. They have a responsibility to get on with investigating and acknowledging what happened in their jurisdiction under their watch. They shouldn’t need us to hold their hands to do that.

do you believe that the Irish government are long overdue doing this and should get on with it forth with? They held the power in a country where a significant minority dropped in numbers by 70%. Not many places in the world (if any) that this happened in peacetime. That is dramatic and bears examination. Please please try to just answer the question this time.

I think you are talking about a truth process in a different jurisdiction. Nothing to do with the op question. Also it would be very difficult to enter a truth process when the leader of the republican movement continues to insist that he was never a member of the organisation in which he sat on the Army Council and is pictured in uniform. If the head of the Paras was saying ‘I was never in the army’, it would make for a strange process